Is this the normal experiance with Nextcloud?

I have no support/technical question and have seen the support category. (Be aware that direct support questions will be deleted.)

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Which general topic do you have

I have a dedicated PC with Home Assistant OS intsalled as a bare metal install. I have decided to move away from MS Cloud and subscription. NextCloud seems to fit the bill with in house storage etc. :blush:

So, I installed NextCloud from the Home Assistant App Catalogue, along with Maria DB and have Nexcloud working :+1:

Thats when it turned into a horror story - I’m not asking for support in this post.

Installed Calander, Email, Contacts and NextCloud Office.

Calander setup and imported :+1:

Email - Hours spent trying to get it to connect to my MS Live account. Fails every time with IMAP not accepting my credentials - even tried the ā€˜App Password’ method. Gave up :-1:

Contacts - Not tried yet - email put me off.

NextCloud Office - Installed Nextcloud office and the community code server. Went into the server settings and it had two errors. One was about configuring NGINX to allow access - I’ve never installed NGINX or used it ever. Seeking help ended up in a rabbit hole of old posts and an eventual re-install of Nextcoud :pensive_face:

Installed Only Office instead, then I went to install the OnlyOffice Community Docs server - & can’t - the version in the app catalogue won’t install on V33 :man_facepalming: Another few hours spent trying to find if a later version is available, there is :blush: But no newbie/simple instructions on how to install it. Another dead end.

I have my Photo and Music collections available in NextCloud :+1::blush: But not Document editing and creation. So migrating from the cloud isn’t posible.

When I can get motivated again, I’ll seek out all the info required to start asking questions for support.

But, is this how things normally go for new users? Should it be this difficult? :exploding_head:

There are other options to install NC-Server for new inexperienced users available. Let me name two:

  • AIO
  • Snap

I haven’t used Snap or AIO myself, but—like you—I went with a so-called bare-metal installation. That does require some experience, though, and as a beginner, you’ll need time and patience. My first installation didn’t go smoothly either, even though I had already worked with OwnCloud before Nextcloud and had installed it on an RPI previously.

There were a few topics here that it was difficult with certain mail providers to set them up. But I don’t use MS/Google etc. to share my own experience.

Can you be more specific?

The only one I can track down was a random third party app that hasn’t been updated in months.

you ask simple questions like
ā€œIs this the normal experiance with Nextcloud?ā€

so the simple answer is ā€œnoā€.

For everything else beyond this point (which of course would end up in support-questions) I’d like you to open a specific topic under ā€œsupportā€.

Thanks

This is maintained and up to date.

Cheers…Obviously other user input about their experiances aren’t welcome.

Thanks, I’ve searched and Google’d, seems to be an issue for sure.

Thanks for replying. I’ve installed AIO and done the snap install on Ubuntu.. I also tried Proxmox VM (not LXC) . But they all seem to have the same issues with Mail & Office :man_shrugging: I’ll persevere a while longer and ask questions elsewhere. As the Home Assistant way doesn’t seem to fit in here.

ummm. tbh I dunno how you came to that conclusion… as this thread is still open.
though your question you asked in the title is more than answered.

again: we just want to keep this category clean of technical ā€œsupportā€ stuff - and you can see yourself that’s already started to go into that direction.

again: you seem to have technical questions. so you are WELCOME to ask them under ā€œsupportā€.

And everyone else can still comment here with non-technical stuff as long as this thread is open.

and yes, I think I know how this would go: ā€œNC is so bad, not maintaining everything, doing nothing, being sluggishā€, etc.
We already had that several times. But hey, go ahead. There’s nothing we’re afraid of. just search for ā€œrantā€ in the forum and you’ll find more of them.

Happy NC’ing
JK

You asked a bit of a general question if we all share the same experience. You got the answers accordingly. If you want specific help on a topic and you are stuck, you need to open a specific topic in the support area and then provide the associated information.

Nextcloud can be installed in different ways, it is used in combination with different software, so the experience can vary, plus depends a lot on the apps. E.g. mail app connection seems to depend a lot on the mail operator. For very integrated setups in Home Assistant, some NAS solution etc. the community at their proper support channels can be better suited.

And if you setup something or follow tutorials, it can be a good idea to link them.

Must have escaped your notice, but I put this at the beginning…:backhand_index_pointing_down:

I’m not asking for support in this post

And after…

ā€œIs this the normal experiance with Nextcloud?ā€

…there were no questions in the body, with a simple…

Should it be this difficult?

…afterwards as it’s the end of the post :roll_eyes:(The only two questions in the body of the post came at the end - and neither were technical or asking for help)

And if you setup something or follow tutorials, it can be a good idea to link them

If I had been asking for help, I would have - BUT - I’m not asking for support in this post

you ask simple questions like
ā€œIs this the normal experiance with Nextcloud?ā€

so the simple answer is ā€œnoā€.

For everything else beyond this point (which of course would end up in support-questions) I’d like you to open a specific topic under ā€œsupportā€.

Are you saying people can ask a question in the title, with no body text - as you’ve ignored mine - and expect answers? Rather than going through the Pro former of information normally required?

If helpful people offer help, so be it, it’s out of my control - I’m not asking for support in this post - I didn’t. Go slap their respective wrists - I’m not asking for support in this post I marely shared my experiances, no details, no asking if, &, what or whatever. I was simply trying to gauge my experiance with that of others.

But of course, the admin ignores the body text and blows it up into something it isn’t and never was intended to be…

I don’t rant, that raises my blood pressure and invites the Angina devil in…:face_with_symbols_on_mouth:

I know this is not a rant nor is this asking for help but for your specific email issue there is a whole article about it XOAUTH2 Authentication: Mail — Nextcloud latest Administration Manual latest documentation

Everything you mention can work, if you put in the work. I don’t think any of us bare metal dudes had it perfect first try.