Will Nextcoud stay on github or move to gitlab, following other projects?

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Do one thing and do it well. You guys have probably not touched a lot of code yet :wink:

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When the move to Github happend, the big advantage of it was that vast amount of developers were on Github: the infamous networking effect. Let’s see whether some migrations happens here
 on the other hand, you cannot get people off Facebook either, towards federated networks, no matter what happens on that domain. Thus, the only chance i see for a mass movement is if Microsoft is doing restrictive changes (costs e.g. with quotas or limited features) that really annoys or blocks people and projects a lot. They know the drill however, and won’t do it with a sledge hemmer, rather the creepy-sneaky way to keep users bound and addicted.

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@BernhardPosselt it was with a conscious twinkle in my eye, I know you got it :slight_smile:

And it’s true for myself, my real development phase lies over 20 years further back - although when thinking about my last coding attempt
it was creating a pull request for the owncloud mail app almost 4 years ago. I was then very kindly briefed to GitHub and other things by the devs - it was a very nice experience, btw my first little contribution to open source.

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Yeah, not so experienced as a developer
 but I guess looking into integrating Nextcloud a bit with Phabricator could be a not that unrealistic option?

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Well, then you have to maintain your wrapper as well. And what do you get out of an integrated phabricator? Nothing really, just set it up normally and use LDAP.

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Aside from that I would say going down the NIH route is not a good idea anyway.

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I totally agree with you. One reason I deleted my account at GitHub immediately.
There is no reason to join, help or sustain Microsoft, Google, Facebook and Co.

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The worst biggest mistake of github is to sell the open source project to the corrupt Microsoft that not only have their OS is closed source so no one can peek the backdoors , as also they have a lot of dificulties selling the new OS to costumers because more and more the OS are more clodsed and more difficult to configure at user own way .
So before close the doors , Microsoft now will buy github for 7.5 Billion dollars , and almost for sure that they will charge the current free service for a small fee , witch will connect that specific github account to a person . As you all know , a lot of stuff are posted daily in github , from good to bad , and i mean exploits or code leaks .
Imagine what will the FBI do when they get the user of a specific account because that user uploaded a sensitive code leak to github .
I personally have a github account , witch will be closed and all projects deleted as soon as Microsoft takes the control of github , witch will be in the end of this year .
Personally , i dont think github will exist in 3 years from now , as soon as big projects move to other open sources services , everyone will follow .
Github will turn the same way as myspace become , no one uses it anymore .

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Totally agree with this. I’m hoping we’ll see federation of Gitlab (and other FOSS git repo software) to achieve a lot of the network effects that made Github compelling, but without the needless proprietary software and single point of failure.

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Some clarifications:

Github is not open source

An account is already personal. Unless you take care do work with it anonymously, e.g. only via Tor etc.

Github is already an US company, that does not change much.

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Here is the open issue for Gitea to support federation.

Here is an open issue for Gitlab federation.

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Gitlab is not so much better as an alternative (at least the commercial versions) now that they tried to track their customers and reversed course after a lot of pressure.

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Just for the benefit of the argument:

Maybe it is time for a European funded effort to establish a sustainable FOSS git service?

Outsourcing the former Nokia GSM efforts went not that well, if I recall some comments of the Finish presidency correctly. One could consider to seek a more sovereign approach for the EU Digital Market this time, I presume.

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For private projects I understand the argument to get your data away from US servers into regions where by law security and privacy is more guaranteed. But for FOSS projects I don’t see the point. As for Microsoft taking over, as long you don’t get annoyed by MS service/account integration/migration, one could see it even as benefit to have larger financial resources for additional features, as implemented into GitHub the last couple of months.

The key IMO is to stay flexible by not starting to rely too much on features which are not part of Git itself but the provider/platform, so the project can easily be migrated if stronger reasons appear. But for now from all I see GitHub is a great platform with still the vast majority of FOSS projects using it.

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Point taken and fair argument. However, this could be debatable.

Quidquid id est, timeo Danaos et dona ferentes

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Indeed taking presents always means some sort of dependency. However in case of MS and GitHub, to be fair, since MS uses the platform itself for e.g. their recent power toys open source release, they have as well interest in features for their own devs, not necessarily/only to bind or gain other devs.

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Didn’t GitLab intend to start selling their users’ data1

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To continue with this discussion.

All gotten from Dr. Roy Schestowitz via Diaspora and from:
techrights

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github

#deletegithub
http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github
it is #proprietarysoftware with #microsoft #surveillance and Microsoft uses it to distort, control and lie about FOSS. #github is an >ATTACK< on FOSS.

EDIT: https://twitter.com/jorditarrida/status/1186272638303428609
https://twitter.com/ferranpruneda/status/1186392182317563904

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At least Nextcloud will stay for eternity :grinning::

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@alfred
Lol yeah whether this is reasonable or marketing is an own discussion topic :laughing:.

@twinkybot
Hmm I really don’t get the relationship between your links and your statements. What has this techrights >10 years old story around Vivendi, that does not contain the word “Microsoft” a single time, to do with current Microsoft and GitHub topic?

And why is Microsoft and/or GitHub to blame when spanisch ISPs block their whole domain only because some Catalonia demonstrators use GitHub pages, hence a single subdomain? Blame the spanisch ISPs and/or government, at least to be so unselektiv, or better the method in general: Every half educated user knows how to use a VPN, or simply the bare IP, to workaround this and blocking in general is at best a very sad/desperate/stoking attempt to deal with protests in modern societies, without wanting to take political side here :wink:.