Update to next cloud 21.0.2 has get an error

Steps to reproduce

  1. Start Updater
  2. Run the updater
  3. Error on step9

Expected behaviour

I’d expected a working upgrade to 21.0.2, but through this error this hasn’t happened.

Actual behaviour

I got this error:
Doctrine\DBAL\Exception\DriverException: An exception occurred while executing a query: SQLSTATE[HY000]: General error: 4047 InnoDB refuses to write tables with ROW_FORMAT=COMPRESSED or KEY_BLOCK_SIZE.

more detailed:
Update vorbereiten Log-Level auf "debug" gesetzt Wartungsmodus eingeschaltet Reparaturschritt: Repair MySQL collation Reparaturinformation: All tables already have the correct collation -> nothing to do Reparaturschritt: Repair SQLite autoincrement Reparaturschritt: Copy data from accounts table when migrating from ownCloud Reparaturschritt: Drop account terms table when migrating from ownCloud Das Datenbankschema wird aktualisiert Datenbank aktualisiert Doctrine\DBAL\Exception\DriverException: An exception occurred while executing a query: SQLSTATE[HY000]: General error: 4047 InnoDB refuses to write tables with ROW_FORMAT=COMPRESSED or KEY_BLOCK_SIZE. Das Update ist fehlgeschlagen. Bitte melden Sie dieses Problem an die Nextcloud Community.

If I try to start the upgrade on the terminal, I get this error:
Doctrine\DBAL\Exception\DriverException: An exception occurred while executing a query: SQLSTATE[HY000]: General error: 4047 InnoDB refuses to write tables with ROW_FORMAT=COMPRESSED or KEY_BLOCK_SIZE. Update failed

Server configuration

Operating system: Debian 10

Web server: Apache2

Database: mariaDB 10.6.1

PHP version: 8.0

Nextcloud version: updated from 21.0.2 R2 to 21.0.2

Updated from an older Nextcloud/ownCloud or fresh install: updated from RC to final version

**Where did you install Nextcloud from:**I installed with downloaded package from the next cloud servers

List of activated apps:

App list Nextcloud or one of the apps require upgrade - only a limited number of commands are available You may use your browser or the occ upgrade command to do the upgrade Enabled: - accessibility: 1.7.0 - activity: 2.14.3 - bruteforcesettings: 2.1.0 - cloud_federation_api: 1.4.0 - comments: 1.11.0 - contacts: 3.5.1 - contactsinteraction: 1.2.0 - dashboard: 7.1.0 - dav: 1.17.1 - federatedfilesharing: 1.11.0 - federation: 1.11.0 - files: 1.16.0 - files_pdfviewer: 2.1.0 - files_rightclick: 1.0.0 - files_sharing: 1.13.1 - files_trashbin: 1.11.0 - files_versions: 1.14.0 - files_videoplayer: 1.10.0 - logreader: 2.6.0 - lookup_server_connector: 1.9.0 - oauth2: 1.9.0 - password_policy: 1.11.0 - photos: 1.3.0 - privacy: 1.5.0 - provisioning_api: 1.11.0 - recommendations: 1.0.0 - serverinfo: 1.11.0 - settings: 1.3.0 - sharebymail: 1.11.0 - support: 1.4.0 - survey_client: 1.9.0 - tasks: 0.13.6 - text: 3.2.0 - theming: 1.12.0 - twofactor_backupcodes: 1.10.0 - updatenotification: 1.11.0 - user_status: 1.1.1 - viewer: 1.5.0 - weather_status: 1.1.0 - whiteboard: 0.0.3 - workflowengine: 2.3.0 Disabled: - admin_audit - encryption - files_external - firstrunwizard - nextcloud_announcements - notifications - systemtags - user_ldap

Nextcloud configuration:

Config report { "system": { "instanceid": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "passwordsalt": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "secret": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "updater.secret": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "trusted_domains": [ "cloud.*.*", "*.*.*.*", "*.*.*.*" ], "debug": true, "datadirectory": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "dbtype": "mysql", "version": "21.0.2.0", "overwrite.cli.url": "https:\/\/*.*.*", "dbname": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "dbhost": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "dbport": "", "dbtableprefix": "oc_", "mysql.utf8mb4": true, "dbuser": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "dbpassword": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "installed": true, "maintenance": true, "theme": "", "loglevel": 2, "mail_smtpmode": "smtp", "mail_sendmailmode": "smtp", "mail_smtphost": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "mail_smtpport": "25", "mail_smtpauth": 1, "mail_smtpauthtype": "LOGIN", "mail_from_address": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "mail_domain": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "mail_smtpname": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "mail_smtppassword": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "overwriteprotocol": "https", "trusted_proxies": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "updater.release.channel": "stable", "app_install_overwrite": [ "whiteboard" ], "twofactor_enforced": "false", "twofactor_enforced_groups": [], "twofactor_enforced_excluded_groups": [], "default_phone_region": "DE", "memcache.local": "\\OC\\Memcache\\APCu" } }

Are you using external storage, if yes which one: no

Are you using encryption: no

Are you using an external user-backend, if yes which one: no

Client configuration

Browser: Safari 14.1

Operating system: macOS 11.3.1

Logs

Nextcloud log (data/nextcloud.log)

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Thanks if there’s anyone who could help :slight_smile:

Have a nice day
Tardar

Do you have a possible solution for me that might work?
Thanks a lot :slight_smile:

I’ve run into the exact same problem after trying to upgrade to 21.0.02 and changing the mysql character set to utf8mb4.
What I did is the following:

php occ maintenance:mode --on

on the mysql db (maria 10.6.1):

ALTER DATABASE nextcloud CHARACTER SET utf8mb4 COLLATE utf8mb4_general_ci;

then in the app again:

php occ config:system:set mysql.utf8mb4 --type boolean --value="true"
php occ maintenance:repair
Nextcloud is in maintenance mode - no apps have been loaded

 - Repair MySQL collation
     - Change row format for oc_migrations ...
     - Change collation for oc_migrations ...

In ExceptionConverter.php line 114:

  An exception occurred while executing a query: SQLSTATE[HY000]: General error: 4047 InnoDB refuses
   to write tables with ROW_FORMAT=COMPRESSED or KEY_BLOCK_SIZE.


In Exception.php line 26:

  SQLSTATE[HY000]: General error: 4047 InnoDB refuses to write tables with ROW_FORMAT=COMPRESSED or
  KEY_BLOCK_SIZE.


In Statement.php line 82:

  SQLSTATE[HY000]: General error: 4047 InnoDB refuses to write tables with ROW_FORMAT=COMPRESSED or
  KEY_BLOCK_SIZE.


maintenance:repair [--include-expensive]

This is according to the official instructions here:
https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/21/admin_manual/configuration_database/mysql_4byte_support.html

Any ideas?

I think the problem has nothing to do with the utf8mb4 setting but the InnoDB compression setting. I would assume that seting “innodb_compression_default = off” should fix the problem. Check-out the provided link in my previous post.

Hey,

i changed the compression_default to off, but the error exists after this change, too.

Do you have any more ideas ? :wink:

Thanks
Tardar

You might be right that it isn’t related to changing the encoding, but just like tardar says, I get the same error nonetheless even after disabling the compression.
And I’d have thought that the default compression refers to the any new changes, not to the existing tables that have compression on.

[later edit:]
It seems it was related after all to the enconding.
So what I did was:

docker exec -it --user www-data next-app php occ config:system:set mysql.utf8mb4 --type boolean --value="false"

Then I came across another error:

In ValidatePhoneNumber.php line 64:

  Can not validate phone numbers without `default_phone_region` being set in the config file

I edited config/config.php and added:

  'default_phone_region' => 'NE' # choose some country; the important thing is that you define it.

And then I ran the repair command again and turned off maintaince:

docker exec -it --user www-data next-app php occ maintenance:repair --include-expensive
docker exec -it --user www-data next-app php occ maintenance:mode --off

Now I’m also able to install apps (which threw the same error in the GUI before this)

The only problem I now have is the warning (in settings - overview) that led to all this in the first place:

MySQL is used as database but does not support 4-byte characters. To be able to handle 4-byte characters (like emojis) without issues in filenames or comments for example it is recommended to enable the 4-byte support in MySQL. For further details read

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Hey, i found this one:

You can switch this off and next cloud works again.

Maybe not the best solution, but it works :slight_smile:

Thanks for the tip.
I just don’t understand the logic though, I don’t understand what’s happening when nextcloud upgrades the application. Does it set the row_format to compressed and then it tried to change them even though they’re read only?
Doesn’t make much sense :slight_smile: