Yeah, Social has been abandoned by Nextcloud some years ago, I remember vaguely that it never really worked. It exists as alpha for NC 21 and older, so we cannot use it at all right now, weird announcement indeed see Social - Apps - App Store - Nextcloud
Actually he was excited ⌠4 years ago 
Twitter has been relentlessly persecuting and silencing people for years. While itâs nice to see some changes being made, a platform where such prejudice is impossible would be great. If it can be done.
Guys, could we please take this announcement as what it is?
Itâs an announcement that social-app will be back. Itâs not abandonned and never was.
Stop complaining and give it a chance.
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Fair enough, but a tad opportunistic nevertheless.
Tried to install the beta and it unsurprisingly doesnât even install. Tried from source but doesnât run (I assume it relies on 3.0, there)
There will be a release of the social app in the near future, weâre working on it.
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This is a complete waste of resources. I donât know why people fear the freedom Musk promised. But If you are a bamboon hating against Musk you should really have your mind set checked.
Twitter (and any social media) is in hard contrast to what next cloud is, by nature. So please do not spend any resources making bad solutions to things already solved as good as it ever gets.
Next cloud still is limping in comparison to Google and Microsoft solutions. So focus on that!
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That is the advantage of free software. You write what is fun to write. Even if it might already exist. See for example the comparison of Google Maps and OpenStreetMap. Nobody needs a second map project ⌠like Google Maps Can you create GPX-tracks (not GPX-route) with Google Maps without registration like https://graphhopper.com/maps for your tours? I think not.
And Nextcloud Social will also have nice and bad features.
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I fully agree that it is up to any software developer to where he want to spend his spare time. Next cloud has a mission. This mission in my opinion not yet full-filled. Let me give you one example. Video talks have become a major thing ever since (we all know why). So especially corporations but really just anyone likes having them with custom backgrounds. Next cloud has no desktop App for easy management or any feature that companies are looking for. So where should development time go to?
This is a very specific example, I know. But I just lost the opportunity to have two companies join next cloud because of it.
Well that depends on the company I guess. Keeping the client devices up-to-date and secure is one of the biggest challenges for any large company. And especially Electron based video call apps like Teams and Zoom are a security nightmare. So the fewer apps that are installed on a client, the better. Ideally, everything would run in the browser
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I think the desire existed 10 or 20 years ago. Firefox OS failed because of this, and iOS and Android are also dominated by apps and bad browsers. Itâs not much different on the PC.
I do not use Microsoft OneDrive. But I donât think companies use it mainly in the browser. Nor is anyone likely to use Microsoft Teams in the browser. Alternatives like Big Blue Button even run only in the browser with all the advantages and disadvantages.
I feel like I hijacked the thread, I am sorry. But while it is true that keeping software up to date is very important, you missed two things:
- Apps like Teams and so on can update themselves
- The App is not the important factor but the lack of functionality (backgrounds in video calls)
Yes, of course, itâs not quite as simple as I described it, and browsers have security vulnerabilities too. But especially Electron apps like Teams or Zoom are often based on outdated Chromium versions with bugs that have been already fixed in the Chromium browser engine and thus also in Google Chrome and Edge. Also. other apps, such as office applications and file synchronisation clients, will certainly not go away anytime soon, and thatâs okay. Nevertheless, it is much easier to keep the clients secure if there are as few apps installed as possible.
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It is an important note. Look at how successful Google Chrome and ChromeOS are. If everything âjust worksâ you can stay focused on your job to complete the next task. The network effect is a real thing, which is why it is difficult to move people out of services like Slack and the Google Suite. Even if a product is just as good as the one you are already on, you likely will not change.
It is a very difficult mission to fulfill, plus everyone claims different functionality is critical (schools, home users, healthcare, etc).
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Thats for sure. But on the list of critical feature that would sway someone to choose NC, how important is this social stuff⌠I mean really!
Good question. I personally use the fediverse and could care less about Talk backgrounds. So, 
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Yes, if the vendor keeps it up to date and uses best practices in the implementation. But Zoom in particular has not covered itself in glory in the past and often used nasty workarounds to implement certain features.
Nevertheless, every additional app is potentially an additional security risk. And it generates additional work, especially if there are a lot of changes. You have to track the release notes, you have to package it, you have to test and distribute it, you have to check if all the clients have received it. And then something crashes on certain clients or doesnât work as expected, and then the amount of support increases or in the worst case you have to deploy an uninstall package to 1000s of clients.
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But yes, this is fairly offtopic in this thread
Just one more thing: Not sure how easy it would be, but If someone would like to package an Electron app for Nextcloud Talk, Nextcloud Social or Nextcloud as a whole, I guess the Nextcloud GmbH wouldnât mind
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To all, please stay on-topic here 
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Wow, is Social app really back on track?
I should give it a new try
Yes, it is now being worked on by a couple employees afaik.
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