Talk High Performance Backend/Signaling Server Breaks Connectivity

Hi All!

I’m wondering if anyone has managed to get a functional “High Performance Backend/Signaling Server” configured yet. Furthermore, is there any debugging information available beyond the standard Nginx/Apache logs?

Here is the story:

My Nextcloud instance is in a bare metal FreeNAS server, with NC running in an iocage jail (following Samuel Dowling’s blog post to set up Nextcloud with hardened security), behind a pfSense firewall, running HAproxy for a reverse proxy, on a residential Internet service with a dynamic IP address.

My STUN/TURN server is a 2-core, 1GB RAM, 20GB SSD public unmanaged VPS with ports 3478 1n3 5349 open.

My HPB is an 8-core ESXi VM with 16GB of RAM and a 60GB HDD, running Debian 10 headless, on a Dell PowerEdge R710, also behind the pfSense firewall.

Following a combination of the three guides listed below:

https://morph027.gitlab.io/blog/nextcloud-spreed-signaling/

https://nichteinschalten.de/signalisierungsserver-fuer-nextcloud-aufsetzen-how-to/

https://decatec.de/home-server/nextcloud-talk-mit-eigenem-signaling-server-high-performance-backend/

I finally managed to get my HPB running and passing the tests outlined in the blogs. However, as soon as I enter the Signaling Server link and shared key in the NC GUI, all Talk connectivity immediately ceases!

I honestly have no idea where to begin troubleshooting, so any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Btw, the last 2 blogs were in German. I had to use Google Translate. I saved them to text files and uploaded them to a shared folder on my NC server, which can be found here!

Is there really next to zero community support on this topic? I kinda thought this “High Performance Backend” would be a big thing right now amid all of the chaos going on around us. Someone HAS to have a functional production Signaling Server and be familiar with it’s operation…

Just to put some additional information out there, below is the output of the following commands:

systemctl status signaling:

 signaling.service - Nextcloud Talk signaling server
 Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/signaling.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)>
 Active: active (running) since Mon 2020-07-20 14:31:18 >EDT; 19h ago
Main PID: 793 (signaling)
  Tasks: 23 (limit: 19119)
  Memory: 24.3M
  CGroup: /system.slice/signaling.service
         └─793 /etc/nextcloud-spreed-signaling/bin/signaling --config /etc/signaling/server.conf

Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling signaling[793]: 2020/07/20 14:31:29.871607 mcu_janus.go:301: Maximum bandwidth 2097152 bits/sec per screensharing stream
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling signaling[793]: 2020/07/20 14:31:29.871865 mcu_janus.go:307: Created Janus session 2270010470634791
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling signaling[793]: 2020/07/20 14:31:29.872203 mcu_janus.go:314: Created Janus handle 4833542160710583
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling signaling[793]: 2020/07/20 14:31:29.872228 main.go:197: Using MCU janus at ws://127.0.0.1:8188
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling signaling[793]: 2020/07/20 14:31:29.872238 hub.go:277: Using a timeout of 10s for MCU requests
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling signaling[793]: 2020/07/20 14:31:29.872252 backend_server.go:95: Using configured TURN API key
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling signaling[793]: 2020/07/20 14:31:29.872259 backend_server.go:96: Using configured shared TURN secret
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling signaling[793]: 2020/07/20 14:31:29.872268 backend_server.go:98: Adding "turn:turn.your_domain.com:5349?transport=tcp" as TURN server
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling signaling[793]: 2020/07/20 14:31:29.872276 backend_server.go:105: No IPs configured for the stats endpoint, only allowing access from 127.0.0.1

systemctl status janus:

 janus.service - Janus WebRTC gateway
 Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/janus.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
 Active: active (running) since Mon 2020-07-20 14:31:18 >EDT; 19h ago
   Docs: https://janus.conf.meetecho.com/docs/index.html
Main PID: 801 (janus)
   Tasks: 30 (limit: 19119)
  Memory: 27.9M
  CGroup: /system.slice/janus.service
          └─801 /usr/bin/janus -o

Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling janus[801]: [WARN] Unix Sockets server disabled (Janus API)
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling janus[801]: [WARN] Unix Sockets server disabled (Admin API)
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling janus[801]: [WARN] No Unix Sockets server started, giving up...
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling janus[801]: [WARN] The 'janus.transport.pfunix' plugin could not be initialized
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling janus[801]: Loading transport plugin 'libjanus_nanomsg.so'...
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling janus[801]: [WARN] Nanomsg server disabled (Admin API)
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling janus[801]: JANUS Nanomsg transport plugin initialized!
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling janus[801]: Nanomsg thread started
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling janus[801]: Creating new session: 2270010470634791; 0x7feda8001af0
Jul 20 14:31:29 signaling janus[801]: Creating new handle in session 2270010470634791: 4833542160710583; 0x7feda8001af0 0x7feda80024b0

./bin/signaling --config server.conf:

# ./bin/signaling --config server.conf
2020/07/21 10:05:23.586438 main.go:128: Starting up version 3d73ab48dbdcf956808498cefed3f748d3d8fe77/go1.11.6 as pid 3818
2020/07/21 10:05:23.590900 main.go:137: Using a maximum of 8 CPUs
2020/07/21 10:05:23.593228 natsclient.go:108: Connection established to nats://localhost:4222 (NBY7AD6CSQWTVRS7UPXY6XF7XHB7TFCDU3MJEA3H2M2M6SCB22QYHBPF)
2020/07/21 10:05:23.593520 backend_client.go:83: Allowed backend hostnames: [nextcloud.domain_one.tld nextcloud.domain_two.com]
2020/07/21 10:05:23.593597 hub.go:175: Using a maximum of 10 concurrent backend connections per host
2020/07/21 10:05:23.593650 hub.go:182: Using a timeout of 10s for backend connections
2020/07/21 10:05:23.594139 hub.go:218: Not using GeoIP database
2020/07/21 10:05:23.595550 mcu_janus.go:281: Connected to Janus WebRTC Server 0.6.1 by Meetecho s.r.l.
2020/07/21 10:05:23.595573 mcu_janus.go:285: Found JANUS VideoRoom plugin 0.0.9 by Meetecho s.r.l.
2020/07/21 10:05:23.595580 mcu_janus.go:291: Data channels are supported
2020/07/21 10:05:23.595586 mcu_janus.go:297: Full-Trickle is enabled
2020/07/21 10:05:23.595599 mcu_janus.go:300: Maximum bandwidth 1048576 bits/sec per publishing stream
2020/07/21 10:05:23.595608 mcu_janus.go:301: Maximum bandwidth 2097152 bits/sec per screensharing stream
2020/07/21 10:05:23.595897 mcu_janus.go:307: Created Janus session 1359145954144225
2020/07/21 10:05:23.596741 mcu_janus.go:314: Created Janus handle 4745187891530829
2020/07/21 10:05:23.596765 main.go:197: Using MCU janus at ws://127.0.0.1:8188
2020/07/21 10:05:23.596777 hub.go:277: Using a timeout of 10s for MCU requests
2020/07/21 10:05:23.596800 backend_server.go:95: Using configured TURN API key
2020/07/21 10:05:23.596815 backend_server.go:96: Using configured shared TURN secret
2020/07/21 10:05:23.596834 backend_server.go:98: Adding "turn:turn.your_domain.com:5349?transport=tcp" as TURN server
2020/07/21 10:05:23.596849 backend_server.go:105: No IPs configured for the stats endpoint, only allowing access from 127.0.0.1
2020/07/21 10:05:23.597027 main.go:272: Listening on 127.0.0.1:8080

./bin/client -addr localhost:8080:

./bin/client -addr localhost:8080
Using a maximum of 8 CPUs
Backend server running on http://192.168.70.75:39575
Connecting to [ws://localhost:8080/spreed]
Starting 100 clients
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Stats: sent=562211 (56221/sec), recv=562129 (56212/sec), delta=82
Stats: sent=1134755 (63613/sec), recv=1134702 (63617/sec), delta=53
Stats: sent=1717905 (58315/sec), recv=1717825 (58312/sec), delta=80
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curl -i https://signaling.your_domain.com/standalone-signaling/api/v1/welcome:

curl -i https://signaling.your_domain.com/standalone-signaling/api/v1/welcome
HTTP/2 200 
date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 14:22:49 GMT
content-type: application/json; charset=utf-8
content-length: 94
set-cookie: __cfduid=d0f50f48de9a94ebdc5796530156f09d81595341369; expires=Thu, 20-Aug-20 14:22:49 GMT; path=/; domain=.your_domain.com; HttpOnly; SameSite=Lax
strict-transport-security: max-age = 63072000; includeSubdomains; preload
cf-cache-status: DYNAMIC
cf-request-id: 04135a877100000cc9ca037200000001
expect-ct: max-age=604800, report-uri="https://report-uri.cloudflare.com/cdn-cgi/beacon/expect-ct"
server: cloudflare
cf-ray: 5b65938588620cc9-EWR

{"nextcloud-spreed-signaling":"Welcome","version":"3d73ab48dbdcf956808498cefed3f748d3d8fe77"}

Although the above shows Cloudflare as the server, this subdomain is NOT proxied, so I eliminated them from the equation.

So, from all I see, everything appears to be connecting as intended. But, as stated above, as soon as the Signaling Server credentials are entered into the Talk Settings in the NC GUI, all connectivity for Talk stops.

My network is fairly restricted with the firewall rules I have in place. I’m leaning more towards something being blocked there, but it’s not showing up in my firewall logs. At least, not that I can see.

I’m going to play around with rule logging and will report back

If anyone’s interested, I’m yet to figure this problem out. Does anyone in the community have a working signaling server? Any suggestions?

That would be my first guess…
Since you have a functional ESXi box, just install a new simple instance of Nextcloud right next to all the HPB servers (same subnet; nothing in between) and try to make it work… Go from there…

No, I didn’t make it work. Yes, I would be interested too.
But for now I’m satisfied with how the BBB app does the job for me (and about a dozen users)…

I had a similar issue. Do you have a string of hex numbers after OK: running version: ?

@henry, I actually already tried to cover it from that base as well. I have another NC instance that I use for my business (the one I posted about is for family use), which is running on the ESXi host. Same issue. In fact, I authorized both domains in the signaling server configuration, in a comma-separated value. Same thing on both installations.

What is the BBB app you mentioned? Might be worth giving it a try!

@Stevebrudi, I do. On both instances of NC, also. With SSL certificate validation on. I can also put the link below into a web browser and receive the same string with a welcome message.

It just seems odd that they would make a big deal about releasing this signaling server, then offer zero support. Probably their way of saying “Well, we released it. If you can’t get it running, hire a specialized tech or pay us for access to ours.” Not cool for something that’s said to be “open source” in my opinion. But, I digress! Thanks for the responses, guys. I was combing through firewall logs and didn’t see anything that stood out. I could see traffic coming through, but it just wouldn’t make the connections. If we’re all experiencing the same or similar results, I’m inclined to believe it’s something on their end, rather than ours. Server configuration or something just isn’t quite right by the directions we’ve followed.

I recently got involved in a pretty big project, so this is going on the back burner for now. I’ll be busy straight through Labor Day weekend, preparing for the launch. I’ll tinker with it if I find myself having some free time and I’ll check back every so often.

Best of luck to you both!

Before the HPB was open-sourced, there were few attempts to make Nextcloud work with established open source video-conferencing systems. Of primary interest were jitsi and BigBlueButton, aka BBB…

This Nextcloud app works for me (in a university environment)
https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/bbb
It is not “integrated” - there was an attempt to do that, too - but works.

I also run everything on a vSphere cluster (ESXi).
I like standalone servers linked to the primary Nextcloud server (coTURN, OnlyOffice, BBB).
Two different NC servers (on different campuses) and one test server all use the same.
Unlike at home, there is no shortage in IP addresses, SSL certs, etc.

Interest to those systems snowballed during the first months of the lockup. Zoom was obviously the primary driver… In early March jitsi was working better for me (12-15 people) than Zoom. But the latter improved leaps and bounds since… And drove Meet, Teams (boy, I hate this POS) and others to offer decent competition with a reasonably good free tier… The window to have an open source competitor on the same scale has closed…
I believe HPB changes some PHP code in the Talk app… And there were some binaries offered for download (GitLab?) the first few weeks after open-sourcing it… Not so much interest in this anymore…

It is frustrating but your almost there. It seems you are configured correctly. This also happened to me. Make sure that the certificates are correct in all four janus files.
janus.jcfg janus.transpost.http.jcfg janus.transport.websockets.jcfg janus.transport.mqtt.jcfg. I didn’t include the certs on janus.transport.mqtt.jcfg when I added the everything worked.

I added intermediates certs where there was an option.