Has been a while since I last did it. Might have become more complicated? But I agree that the end user documentation is currently lacking. I also think it is strange that the new php community server seems to pull in some stuff from the OO docker image and requires (?) X86 to work.
IMHO that is what people should really look into. Get a clean build and make sure it runs on a RasberryPI4 or similar. I remember reading on the OO issue tracker that principally nothing prevents the full Document server to run on ARM, just that the company behind has no interest in testing or supporting it. So it might be a simple fix to get it to work on ARM servers.
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I work in cooperative company with around ~150 end users (about 70 accounts) and we are reaching the limit several times now, it’s very problematic.
And open source software that doesn’t permit user to recompile the software is not really a free software I like to believe that it is just a matter of time before we succeed to get a updated doc !
@Krischan : if you find your old notes about how to recompile the stuff… it will help a lot of people !
congratulations on having a safe place to work in such a big company.
maybe you should make your boss aware of the fact that using an open source software in a professional environment does not automatically come for free. and maybe you just want to be fair to developpers and ask them for an offer for your company. because other companies need to make a living as well. and so the concept of onlyoffice seems to be: free? no problem. but it comes with some kind of limitation (made for more or less homeusers and mayne very small companies) if you need more? no problem… buy it. just give them a chance as well.
and of course i’m not telling you you need to do what i suggested. i rather reminded you of what was the fair way of proceeding.
I quite agree with you !
Free software doesn’t mean free of money and people are working (very well) to make this so they can be remunerate, I have no problem with that.
In an other hand, our budget is limited and we also have make the decision to internalize IT to have the knowledge to develop and administrate software like Nextcloud (which has no limitation for example ) or OnlyOffice.
It seems to me that we are straying from the main topic. If software is declared free software then people with the knowledge should be able to enjoy the 4 freedoms of free software…
maybe so… but i still think that in a thread with a discussion of how certain built-in limits could be avoided it should be clear that this would screw someones business… and in this case the business of the main-developpers.
let me make a guess… it’s limited so that your boss can earn more? of course that’s common in capitalism… but maybe he should make up his mind and give you a few more bucks since it’s not really expensive to get a coverage.
btw: NC does have certain limitations but apparently they aren’t important to you.
Indeed. And the straying from the point is a diversion by some folks. Don’t be distracted by the essentially ad hominem nonsense that lacks understanding of opensource principles.
At this point, I think we really need to see a successful independent build of the Document Server, to see what’s what. I mean, at this point, how do we even know the published code builds at all?
No, there’s no double standard. Criticizing your comments as ad hominem distractions that ignore the principle at hand is not the same as this sort of thing:
Which is a continuation of your earlier comments. The gambit is to make those concerned about how free some ostensibly opensource software actually is appear to be venal and selfish, rather than addressing the argument itself. I’m simply encouraging the person you’re addressing to ignore this, because it evades the issue.
With regard to me going away to the OnlyOffice forums, I’m afraid not. My concern is with its inclusion in Nextcloud, and I’m going to discuss it here.
in general you can do whatever you want. you can even start a discussion within a discussion about non-relevant parts of the discussion. it just won’t make any sense. call it ad hominem or distraction.
anyways… the issue is: onlyoffice has defined their way of making a biz out of some open source software. accept it. or don’t accept it. it doesn’t really matter. but discussing that on a 3rd party forum absolutely makes no sense.
the limits that come with the free version of onlyoffice affect ALL users… not only those of nextcloud. so go and see what the other forum holds for you. or don’t you dare discussing that stuff there?
Well, given that said software is now a default part of Nextcloud Hub, and Nextcloud is promoting its functionality as part of their key features, I think this is a reasonable place to discuss it. As you say, OnlyOffice has defined their way of making money out of pseudo-opensource software, and I doubt they will be of much assistance.
What I would like to find out, is whether we can compile an unrestricted build for the purposes of Nextcloud integration, and whether they will accept this as part of the freedom of the GPL, or whether there will be resistance. To put it another way, I’d like to know whether they actually respect the idea of opensource, or whether they just really intend for it to act as a limited demo for their closed-source products.
I also want to see how Nextcloud handles it, to see whether it’s software we still want to use going forward, or if they’re going to proceed down the road of features restricted to the enterprise versions.
Ahah thank you for the ad hominem attack indeed. For information, I am an associate of my cooperative, there are no shareholders, only members sharing the fruit of their work.
For the rest, I agree with @Semjel.
Opensource/Free software economic model are never easy to settle, but your point of view doesn’t seem to go to the right direction for shared code, shared knowledge, shared power and free softwares.
When i heard about this new Nextcloud Hub Update with OnlyOffice included the connection limit was my first thought. I think even for a medium sized company the 20 users limit will easily be reached. I agree with @Semjel.
This should be advertised along with this that only 20 people can even work in a document with the included Document editor.
If I understand correctly, it’s actually worse than that, because the limit is 20 “connections”, and a connection means one document open for editing. So it’s 20 documents at a time, not necessarily users.
I don’t know about you, but I would typically have a few documents open at once, depending on what I’m working on. And I’d say that applies to nearly everyone I work with. So, I think a much smaller group could quickly find themselves hitting the limit.
At the weekend I’ll set up a VM, and have a go at compiling the document server. I don’t suppose I’ll have any more success than the other folks that have tried, but we might be able to start whittling away at the errors, between us.
I have compiled Collabora before with much higher limits, but it took a very long time to compile and is quite difficult to upgrade if needed. I prefer OnlyOffice to collabora though. I just wish Nextcloud hubs integrated Editor didnt have such a low Connection limit. They should give the option to increase the connections with the notice that it might not meet hardware requirements. If a user notices problems then increase the VMs hardware and be done with it.
Even the video ad for Nextcloud Hub would run into OnlyOffice connection issues seeing as how the Contact portion of the video shows 1002 users.
Yes, I do find it all a bit disingenuous. OnlyOffice boast that because they run the editor in the browser (rather than on the server like Collabora), they can support 75 connections per core. And yet, we are expected to believe that the 20 connection limit only in the opensource version is there to prevent us from overloading average hardware.
And now, why has Nextcloud created their own fork, with the same hardcoded artificial 20 connection limit?
Cant answer to that last question at all. But yeah if there is barely any server side processing then the only issue then is end user computer performance. Maybe 20 users per document sounds a bit better to me.
The Nextcloud Hub announcement should be updated though and remove the “everyone” terminology…
@Beezus actually that’s a open question. In any case the Nextcloud marketing forgot to make that point clear. I don’t think there is such a limitation with Nextcloud’s documentserver_community. At least not with the part of the server written by a Nextcloud engineer. Probably there is a limitation with the OnlyOffice code. Why don’t we wait for an answer instead of dooing a discussion based on assumtions?
I don’t think this is an instance where they forgot. These limits in both OnlyOffice and Collabora are never really mentioned in documentation despite their support being well aware of them. Once a user reports the connection errors coming up they whip out the ole’ gotta pay for more. The limits are never defined up-front.
It is a variable set in the Source Code, so yes a limitation in that sense. But they make it difficult to do it yourself and compile it without those limitations.
Because even with CollaboraOffice they never took part to the discussion… so why they would answer now…
You have a LONG LONG LONG thread about Virtual Drive, @jospoortvliet told a sentence that heartbreak the community about the futur of the nextcloud client…no news then. You can read it it’s very interesting…
but don’t except an answer from them… it’s too bad…
What I find particularly disingenuous is they way it’s presented as a matter of “scalability”. Because, I think many of us can accept that once you want to get into major deployments, with server clusters and high availability, they would only provide assistance with that to enterprise customers. But… this is not that.
What we have here is an artificial limitation on the software itself, preventing it from supporting what the hardware could, and couching that as an issue of scalability.
I like to believe that it is just a matter of time before we succeed to get a updated doc ! 
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