Nextcloud App for BigBlueButton integration

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Looks like the JSXC author is cooking something :slight_smile:

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Slightly OT, but this sounds like a super cool addition to larger BBB deployments:

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Thanks @frank

The Talk app is actually very nice, it has conversations with permanent links, permanent chat history, password-protected etc. A perfect replacement for Zoom – except for three things

  1. The UI of the Webrtc client is very immature and clumsy (try with 10 attendees!)
  2. That dumb & costly signalling server with its esoteric protocol – even the nodejs implementation is not scalable
  3. Scalability of the signalling server

Everything it lacks, BigBlueButton does and does it very well. The client UI is very nicely done. It has recording of sessions etc.

Maintaining this fork of Talk is actually very easy. When a new version is released we pull in and review the differences. A matter of 30 minutes. Then we test and push to production. We will continue this effort as it is commercially expedient for us.

I don’t see another way to have a mature well-functioning conversation app with a mature infrastructure.

This app does the community a great service. I would treat it as such if I were you.

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This is the de-facto way to scale BBB servers.

The one major drawback is that there is no inter-server communication. The entire conversation has to be with the same BBB server. The load balancer remembers which conversation is attached to which server and redirects you to it.

This means:

  1. you will always need to have excess capacity to support large conversations.
  2. there is an upper limit on the number of attendees in a single conversation (the capacity of a single BBB server)

However, you will get much better quality of service and you are saving thousands of $ in service fees vs proprietary solutions

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@fundecassa
I haven’t looked at mobile yet - my guess is moodle is using Cordova to have webrtc within the webview.
It’s on our todo to have a Cordova app for our nextcloud instance. Will share when it’s ready. Real soon.

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https://github.com/sualko/cloud_bbb/blob/master/lib/Settings/Admin.php

https://github.com/sualko/cloud_bbb/blob/a888627e1436bd035e2cc35703a66810cfada800/lib/Controller/JoinController.php#L114-L117

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I suggest to rename your app to avoid confusion with Talk.

If the talk apps does not work yet you might comment the view.

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well 
 as it seems there is a kind of urgency connected to this matter.
so to get it done as fast as possible it would be helpful if this app would be on the appstore. just as “quick and dirty” (no offense meant @ramezrafla) as it is now
 if the only thing that is missing is the release to appstore.

let’s call this a “first step”

in following steps it could be written anew, if neccessary
 but this will take time, that we don’t really have on that subject. videoconferencing is needed now. the original talk for community isn’t really usable for more than 3-4 ppl.

so i’m suggesting to get the finished app out to the world asap. - and then think about polishing it.

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You are never unobserved :joy:

It’s a bit sad that we have now two applications for the same purpose, but I was not aware of that talk fork. Maybe we can cooperate, see https://github.com/ramezrafla/spreed-bigbluebutton/issues/10

I’m currently preparing the first release and I think it will be published in the next hour. Would be great if we could have only one bbb app for Nextcloud.

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Very cool. Again! It is awesome to have BBB or maybe Jitsi integration in Nextcloud. This can be alternatives to Nextcloud Talk. No problem here. But this need to be separate apps with separate names and IDs. Just forking Talk and patching BBB support in is not cool and not supportable. So as long as this are separate apps that don’t collide then all is awesome. As a check. It should be possible to install Nextcloud Talk and this other BBB/Jitis integration apps in parallel without PHP/JS Code conflicts or UI and Usability issues. Thanks everyone :slight_smile:

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FYI: First version of (standalone) BBB integration released: https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/bbb

If you like to contribute and enhance this integration, please open an issue or pull request. I’m also happy to add more people to the repository.

The following things are on the roadmap for the next release:

  • translation (#2)
  • own file share point (currently the app is creating a share with a validity of one day) (#1)
  • Nicer join page (room name and so on)
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There is a new category for this app for further discussions:
https://help.nextcloud.com/c/apps/bigbluebutton

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Agreed, the intent was never to continue having the same name forever. Just a first step.
We’ll be releasing it to the store soon.

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very impressive :slight_smile:

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I need the tuto for bbb integration with nextcloud

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@frank
We tried to make changes to our fork so it is independent from NC Talk and hit roadblocks
The core of NC has hooks for Talk (i.e. spreed)

I don’t see anyone wanting to install multiple conferencing systems. So having Talk being installed with something else is not just realistic. And Talk has some cool features and integrations with files and calendar.

To be honest, a better alternative to all that we have a single NC Talk which supports both the internal signalling server and BBB / Jitsi. We already did the heavy-lifting for BBB. Can we just work with the developers of Talk and have multiple options for conferencing?

That should be the ideal option instead of this proliferation of conflicting apps.

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I also think it would be more elegant if there was a selection in Talk: with BBB / Jitisi as an option.

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You are definitely right. There must be a way to integrate Jitsi, BBB and may be others (open-source!) together with the actually foreseen, costly, signaling server connections.

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:wave: your definitely right!

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May be such a bot could be a solution too?

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