But thatâs just one way of framing the question - to assume that a third party online office suite is a requirement, and therefore ask which is the best of the bunch to integrate? Another way of looking at it, as others have mentioned, is to ask why is this online office suite a priority at all, when there are other more pressing concerns for the project? And I think the answer to that might be, âTo sell enterprise licenses.â
I think we get into murky territory when software of the opensource-as-far-as-it-suits-us variety becomes a standard part of Nextcloud. And thatâs the case now - watch the video on the new Nextcloud Hub product page. And on the same page the office editing features are listed under the âKey Capabilitiesâ.
I just think that feature needs a big asterisk next to it saying âlimited without an enterprise license.â And I think itâs unfortunate thatâs now the case. Better, IMO, not to have so integrated problematic third party software, and leave it as an integration option for those that accept those restrictive terms.
Somehow it is understandable. But it doesnât work well with the open source idea, imagine debian/apache/⌠limiting the performance under certain conditions and requiring a pro-version (unless you recompile something not so well documented somehow on your own).
For me, that was one reason to go with Nextcloud and not ownCloud (some paid enterprise features) or seafile (limited pro version or reduced feature open-source version).
If there is no suitable business model, I expect an honest communication about the limits beforehand, we had a few users here, who did a few tests and when they rolled out the solution they found this restriction.
Onlyoffice was proprietary software some time ago, it is great that they went the Open Source way so everybody has a well working OOXML compatible office suite in a world where MS Office dominates everything. You can even send them documents causing problems so they can fix it.
This is not perfect, but still better than being left with only Libreoffice and Collabora as an Open Source office suite.
@jospoortvliet It would be great to have the beta channel updated with the final Nextcloud 18 release so people who like to upgrade can get it early.
Thatâs the point, though - itâs not really the opensource way, if the opensource version is deliberately restricted in favour of their proprietary version. Whether we call it crippleware, or feature-limited, or freemium, or opencore, or the latest preferred corporate-speak, we know what it is.
And it doesnât mean âeverybody has a well working OOXML compatible office suiteâ - the first lucky users before the limit of 20 open documents is hit a get well working OOXML compatible office suite, and if any more want the privilege, itâs time to pay up.
Ah yes, dismiss with comedy gif. Interesting how many attempts are made to deflect in this thread.
If we want to assess your credibility on the matter, we need look no further than your claims in the other thread:
This is obvious nonsense, and will be shown as such if anyone ever actually succeeds in compiling it without the artificial restriction. When theyâre not defending the 20 connection limit with this talking point, theyâre boasting about how you can easily have 75 open connections per core, as compared to Collabora!
Check out this hatchet job article they wrote on the comparison to Collabora.
Hereâs a quote.
Architecture of ONLYOFFICE, optimized before installed
Because we let your servers relax. Again, everything happens on a machine of a person who carelessly opened fifteen documents and is editing five of them simultaneously. Sure enough, the server takes responsibilities, but much less than if it would host an editor.
We keep the client and the server connected, but only to a minor, necessary extent. The practice shows that an average server with ONLYOFFICE running can afford 75 actively edited documents per core. Going back, while a hypothetical dual core machine with Collabora on can serve eight to ten users, ONLYOFFICE can take 150.
Think about it like Red Hat: They also donât give you access to their binary repositories (well, they do, you can have a developer account and use most of it for dev purposes) but you can have all the source code and compile an OSS version like Centos and formerly Scientific Linux if you want to. It is not something âpureâ if you want to call it that way but it is still better than nothing.
And no, I do not like marketing hyperbole either. If there is too much of it something is always fishy. Sadly, too many do it these days.
Well, Iâm not insisting on opensource âpurityâ, in the Richard Stallman sort of way. But I do think what we see here is something quite different than Redhat providing sourcecode rather than binaries. The key difference there is that, as you say, Redhat provides the full source from which one can compile fully-functional copies of the software. There is no deliberate hardcoded-limit to disadvantage the opensource version in favour of the paid proprietary versions, putting up a deliberate barrier for the community to try and circumvent. If they behaved like that, I think people would rightly take a very different view of them.
In this case, if OnlyOffice is truly committed to being opensource, then I think Nextcloud should remove the artificial limit in their fork, and OnlyOffice should have no objections. Except⌠I donât think thatâs the way it is.
Itâs interesting how those limits are there for âQuality of Serviceâ. Quality of service would be unlimited connections.
If anything, being unable to edit a document and having errors thrown because a few other people are editing a doc sort of goes against providing a quality experience.
Unlimited Connections, scale the hardware needed to support whatever number of connections you need should be the way it is done.
I saw the pricing and itâs still hugely too expansif : 1099$ for 1 year support for one server up to 50 connections at the same time⌠LOL !
I would love to have 50 connections for free and the possibility to buy support for 500$/year âŚ
@Nemskiller@Beezus would you mind to continue those discussion at OnlyOffice Community Edition without 20 connections limitation? This thread was initially about Nextcloud Hub I know OnlyOffice is a part of Nextcloud Hub and the discussion about those kind of software and their license model seems to be fair but the limitations of their editions, pricing, etc fits better into the other thread. Thanks
Crazy expensive? It equates to 1.80 usd per connection per month. It means that you can have more than 50 users. But say it would be 50 simultaneous users. A regular small business Ms office license costs more than that per month and that is for one user. So no it is not crazy expensive when you do the math.
@SmallOne Would you mind to also use the other thread If you respond here they will probably answer and continue with a discussion about Microsofts license modell now
Yeah but when you have a bill of 0$ using LibreOffice⌠itâs kind of crazy to put 1099$ just for a one year subscription to an helpdesk. Itâs 4,36$ per user per months if you are 21 users⌠so more than Microsoft.
And yes itâs 50 concurrent connections and yes it depends on the health of your company.
But all my client will laugh at me when i will tell them you have to pay for this : 50 connections + 1 year support for 1 serverâŚ
That are the costs of outsourcing servers and service. Youâre speaking about 4,36 USD/month that are 3,93 EUR/month or 0,13 EUR/day (!!!). Believe me this is really cheap for a business service. It is all a question of how youâre selling it to your clients and what value it brings to the client
There are plenty of open issues, but you canât count like this, even if a bug is attributed doesnât mean it is solved soon. There are also duplicates, no real bugs (configuration/other problem). I am speaking of bugs that have been reproduced by several people over a longer time. These bugs are sometimes hard to reproduce (it has just been observed by many people independently) and debugging will probably be time-consuming.
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I know OnlyOffice is a part of Nextcloud Hub and the discussion about those kind of software and their license model seems to be fair but the limitations of their editions, pricing, etc fits better into the other thread. Thanks 
I saw your reply after mine