Stable quality release expectations

[JimmyKater]

@nomad

@nomad

Your position is the bureaucrat’s point of view

if you’d translate “bureaucrat” as taking care about what happens on the forum you’d be absolutely right. That’s excatly the job of a moderator. Well detected.

@nomad

users expect Nextcloud to fix things that are broken,

again and again and again: Nextcloud can do nothing, but nothing at all to solve the problem.
Every expectation beyond that is not realistic.
As already (!) said above if there were 1000’s of complaints on the Github-issue it would get a high(er) priority.

Call it unfair or not user-friendly but that’s the way Open Source goes. And we’re not here to change that. If you want to make yourself heard go and buy official support.

@bb77

@bb77

solved,

correct for 100% - thanks for bringing that out again (!).

@mritzmann

@mritzmann

As a Mercedes driver*, I would also ask in the Mercedes forum what the experience is with the Goodyear tires that comes per default with the car.

sure enough,but would you really expect that MB would change their standards, because 10 ppl said they didn’t like the goodyears?

@mritzmann

But IMHO a discussion should be possible.

it really is. But this discussion shift’s more and more to a direction which is out of reach for Nextcloud.
And yes, some (as in “another few”) ppl agreed upon the problem but again which is nice but meaningless because that happens on a 3rd party forum for Collabora.
And it the faulty behaviour sounds really like a bug in Collabora. And hence there is a bug report on their repro.

@mritzmann

I don’t know what the Nextcloud forum is for

the forum is here to have a place where (mostly homeusers) are hoping to find help from some other, maybe more experienced, users who are here on a voluntary basis. They spend their sparetime here and they don’t get paid.
Why is that forum? Because Nextcloud (the software) is free to use for anyone but in exchange it comes with (almost) 0 support. Apart from the hints you can gather here on the forum.

Sure you can discuss anything here… like: I don’t like the weather… what do you think about it?
and sure enough it would go a similar way as this discussoin: “let’s complain about it and make someone responsible for that to change it.”

if I’d go through the whole discussion on here I think that everything was already said, there won’t be any new aspects to it. The situation was described well enough several times, the solution (at least for this forum) was also told several times.

Everything else will only prolong the “discussion”.

So this one is gonna close automatically after 24 more hours to just give everyone a fair chance to speak their mind a last time.

[martinb14]

@mritzmann

Have you tested with Collabora 24 or 25?

I will do new tests as soon as possible

[saettel.beifuss0]

Some users’ defensive reactions here illustrate a common perception among OP and me regarding potential improvement areas for Nextcloud.

If I go to Nextcloud Files - Open source file sync and share platform
I see this:

Nextcloud’s positioning is evident, positioning itself not as a mere alternative to Dropbox for simple storage synchronization, but rather as an alternative to Google Workspace or Office 365.

Therefore, adopting a defensive stance and relying on the argument that Collabora is a third-party application (an argument that I, despite understanding the technical background, consider to be somewhat inadequate) will not be beneficial.

[JimmyKater]

@saettel.beifuss0 thanks for your contribution. but it doesn’t add any new aspects.

[martinb14]

@JimmyKater

So why not discussing the problem where it does first and foremost belong?

The thread concerns stable quality releases. Not the specific bug. Even if that example took over the conversation.

In conclusion im still looking for a “distro” or branch which

• is always up to date regarding all new security updates
• avoids all new features in order to maximize reliability (within that major version branch)
• allows to upgrade to a newer major version, when that newer branch has matured and no longer includes any new features and only security updates.

And all this including all upsteam versions of components/dependencies like Collabora.

I was hoping that this specific distro/version system was already in place, and maybe it is and I just have not identified how.

As a consequence it seems, that each individual vendor currently must assess if each official minor version increment is reliable/stable/desirable.

I just dont see that scale well, and only huge vendors would be able to do proper QA for each such minor versions.

So what is the recommendation, if we are looking for such a versioning?

[JimmyKater]

@martinb14

So what is the recommendation, if we are looking for such a versioning?

that was said over and over again: go and buy professional support from Nextcloud GmbH.
Right now you are taking advantage of a free software that comes without any support (apart the one you’re getting here - which is totally voluntary based).

Or you might wanna do your own “distro” of NC. That’s up to you and you are free doing this. Just fork the project and go for it!

Afaik there’s no such thing you’re looking for.