As of 3/20/2020, how usable is Nextcloud Talk for a 10+ person videoconference?

I would say no.

It doesn’t make a real difference these days, which kind of data is transmitted (regarding setup and WebRTC, only bandwith and CPU load should be affected).

You still need to set up the infrastructure to make it possible for the clients to communicate with each other. Once this is done Video/Audio is handled by WebRTC protocol and the Client Software.

May I know sir if there is recommended specs for server and bandwidth if you have 10 to 20 people videoconference for Nextcloud Talk?

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With 8gb RAM , 6 Core CPU and gigabit internet works fine the nextcloud talk

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Is this a deduction from the information in the stated post, or are you really able to host a smooth running 10+ person videoconference in Talk without paying the signaling server from Nextcloud GmbH? Could you please describe what you did to achieve that?

I wasn’t able to host a smoothly running videoconference on Talk with 6 persons (no performance problem on the server side, the bottleneck was on the client’s side.)

im also asking what recommended server/internet speed for 10 to 20 people video conferencing without paying signaling server from nextcloud… it’s possible or not ?

The simple answer is, it will not work without the support from Nextcloud GmbH.
Additionally it is somehow independent from your server’s internet connection and performance, even if you have a pretty sophisticated one.

Use another solution (e.g. jitsi), see the other thread, too:

You might be interested into this comment from @jospoortvliet:

It says that all clients need a very very powerful internet connection as well as PC.

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Hmm, in my experience most everyone I know is on basic broadband. Many people I know do not have gigabit connectivity or very high end hardware. The experience I’ve encountered is that people want to jump on a video call regardless of their internet connectivity… usually, disabling video is expected to improve the overall performance.

It would be great to actually flesh out documentation of what can be achieved in terms of a dependable Talk setup, even if that means limiting to 4 users, etc. for us on home connections. I’m down to help test and write such documentation…

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I think its uselesss to me to use Nextcloud talk if you can only video conferencing for 5 person and not smooth even you have good hardware and internet speed…

Nextcloud is for files not to video conferencing

Thats why I want to read official documentation for that to fully understand…

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Exactly! Let’s do our best to confirm what setup is needed to host conferences for:

  • 10 to 20 people
  • 5 to 10 people
  • 1 to 5 people
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Sir @system and sir @jospoortvliet requesting for you kind assistance/comment

thank you

I tried last night with 3 people and visio worked without pb (sometimes muting my mike)
my server is Intel® Atom™ CPU C2338 @ 1.74GHz Intel® Atom™ CPU C2338 @ 1.74GHz (2 2 cores)
Memory: 3.9 GB
I will try next week with more people and let you know how it fares
(Note that for a 2 people conversation there was some hickups when at the same time uploading data to a shared folder (many 3MB+ files) )
Hope this helps.

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Not sure about 10+ participants, but James Bottomley, an IBM Research Distinguished Engineer and senior Linux kernel developer who works closely with Torvalds uses it one-on-one (and also Zoom)…:slight_smile:

It might be relevant to add, that especially video conference performance of different software solutions in the current situation can also be randomly affected by the general network performance and can be misinterpreted.

We had an issue yesterday and it broke down a conference here in Germany on the early Saturday evening. Probably a general network overload due to people sitting at home, using streaming services instead of the usual Saturday evening social activities?

To anyone who needs a working conference right now, but can’t get Nextcloud Talk to work with 4+ people: I just wrote a Jitsi intergration chat bot for Nextcloud Talk: https://github.com/pojntfx/nextcloud-talk-jitsi-bot

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If somebody wants to implement an Open Source SFU/MCU, here is the corresponding issue:

This MCU strategy could make me use more simple storage solutions instead of Nextcloud. Sadly this feels like typicaly milking the oss community and then making a paid service out of it.
So some usable jitsi could let me stick to nextcloud. Talk is unusable! Its the worst “conference” system i’ve ever used and the limitations makes it useless.

Hello and welcome to the forums.

Who is milking you or me? I can use Nextcloud for file sharing and use the apps the way I want.
You like to have video conference system for more then 10 users? And for free (for sure )!

There are some. For free.

Wow! First posting to a community forum and we get such nice words from you. How does this helps anyone?

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Negative for Nextcloud Talk

already tested Jitsi setup is very easy using their quick install on ubuntu/debian using only 4core CPU and 5gb Memory successfully handled 10 to 30 participants video con with good quality audio and video

Thank You

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