Will be now an OS X Server-Version?

That answer should be added to the FAQ as a generic answer for features which only affect very few users. The best thing to do is to find people with the same needs and to create a team which can tackle the problem.

@oparoz Could I ask you to add such an entry to the faq category: https://help.nextcloud.com/c/faq

Thanks!

@MorrisJobke - Iā€™m not allowed :wink:

Could you retry? I allowed now users of level 2 to write there.

Even though I havenā€™t made the jump to version 9 yet, I have been running and updating Owncloud through several versions (since 5 I think) on OS X Server without any issues that I recall.

I am not so interested in official OS X support, as much as Owncloud not changing so much where it canā€™t be coaxed to run on a random nix mamp setup like OS X.

Maybe there can be a sub forum, tag or something similar for unsupported servers where users will feel welcome to trade tips and experiment with what works?

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I think one problem on OS X is related to file names and another to unicode, a sub-forum for exotic platforms seem like a good idea.

While it appears to work, there are known issues that cause data loss. Youā€™re on your own :wink:

Yea, I am aware of the unicode issue, but because I am in North America, umlauts are far and few between. :slight_smile: What other issues are there?

Of course there is Appleā€™s nutty implementation of everythingā€¦ but itā€™s the server I have and it is simple to use and reliable. If I was brighter, Iā€™d learn to do everything on Linux.

BTW, I love both the News app and the Gallery, they are both my most used apps, Thanks for making them! (Hey Oparoz, I would love if the Gallery app displayed IPTC info and previewed RAW files, specifically DNG ā€“ imagmagick works, but never did figure out what the commercial app that is needed)

True, but itā€™s also very easy nowadays to launch a VM which contains everything you need. It will be easier in the future with auto-updating OS.[quote=ā€œMichaelS, post:14, topic:152ā€]
(Hey Oparoz, I would love if the Gallery app displayed IPTC info and previewed RAW files, specifically DNG ā€“ imagmagick works, but never did figure out what the commercial app that is needed)
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IPTC info should be available this Autumn since there is a GSoC student working on image metadata management.
As for the commercial app, it doesnā€™t exist as it too difficult to get it funded. There is a discussion on the ownCloud forums about that.

Hello Every

I just came across NextCloud, setup some VMs and began testing.
My initial Goal was to run on macOS Server like you.
Maybe there are some Others?
Iā€™m willing to spend Time for a Solution.

Can you open a matching Sub Forum where we can share our Configurations?

Best Regards

Hi @Germain there is no configuration to prevent data loss on MacOS. It is unsupported and opening a separate forum would encourage users to run it which is a bad idea IMHO

Hi @BernhardPosselt

As i understood so far:
The Whole Problem is based on the underlying NFD conversion which leads to inconsistent States in Database.

BR

Hello together,

I have a related question to this topic:

How does the conversion Problem affect external shares?

Background:

I am currently running an unsupported setup (aka macOS Server) and want to transfer to a ā€œsupportedā€ variant. So I decided to run nextcloud in the docker environment on macOS which basically means owncloud will be running on top of a linux kernel. The data however will still be residing on the HFS+ filesystem and will be connected to owncloud via the ā€œexternal storageā€ plugin.
Both SMB and direct folder access offer the option to ā€œdeal withā€ the mac NFD conversion ( albeit warning for performance impacts).

But what does this mean/entail?

  • Is a setup using external shares with this option turned on completely safe?
  • How come this option is not available globally?
  • Where is the difference between external and internal data paths
  • Would it even be feasible to run a native macOS installation an just use external storage ?
    • Is this a valid workaround solution for macOS users?
  • Does it matter where the DB resides? (Native MySQL on macOS vs docker container)

Hoping for some helpful comments since I donā€™t have many options to move the actual data away from the HDDs connected to the server apart from virtual disk images ā€¦

-harly

Iā€™ve managed a Owncloud 8 server on OS X server for a client. With the app Server for DNS and MAMP for apache php mysql.

I told him about the problem with some caracters so he was aware. Also the data where always backed up on a time machine.

Then i upgrade it on Owncloud 9.

the client didnā€™t want a linux server because it havenā€™t a GUI.

For the migration between Oc to Nextcloud iā€™ve made a VM with a linux server. So the client have the GUI of OS X with the ease to reboot vm, view the state of snapshots, backups etcā€¦ but with the stability of linux server.

For all my other clients, itā€™s linux server.
The first test iā€™ve made in production was owncloud 7 with windows 2012 r2 IIS server. It was a complete disaster. :wink:

That did make me laugh and it is certainly true, especially in their Server product as distinct from the standard desktop/macbook macOS. Some of the reasons are historic dating back to NeXT, others are license related, yet others are seemingly quasi religious. For what its worth as a mobile app developer Iā€™d like a native macOS release of Nextcloud just for better manageability in my pretty much all macOS estate but I see why there isnā€™t one and I think it is probably distracting. For now I suppose an Ubuntu VM would do. We have several Ubuntu Server VMā€™s already. HFS is going away in the medium term as Apple introduce a new file system in the next version of macOS ā€˜High Sierraā€™. Perhaps that will open an opportunity to revisit this. I certainly wouldnt recommend doing it now when you have so much other stuff on the plate.

I first worked with owncloud server on os X with MAMP

Then i discover better performances and reliability using a real linux server.

If you really want to use OSX as base for your nextcloud server you better use a Linux VM whereas MAMP. I have severals little nextcloud servers on a Linux Vm on OSX it works nicely

Helloā€¦ Iā€™m using Nextcloud sinceā€¦ v11 I guess (?) on macOs serverā€¦ first on Capitan, now on Sierra.

I got several ā€œissuesā€ā€¦ sometimes nothing big, sometimes it isā€¦

I know thereā€™s no ā€œofficialā€ support of macOS, but what about a macOS sub forum or something ? I think thereā€™s enough people using Nextcloud on macOS to open one, right ? That would allow macOS user to share their experiences, even if itā€™s not officially supportedā€¦

right now, got some pbs like:

  • canā€™t configure HSTS
  • canā€™t install new apps anymore (donā€™t know why)
  • and sometimes, it crashes the apache server (thatā€™s very new, this oneā€¦) once or twice per day , I got to reboot itā€¦ and I got no clue whyā€¦

If you use the apache build it ServerApp you can activate hsts but you have to use the right conf file. Itā€™s kind of odd where it is.

feel free to tell me (:

/Library/Server/Web/Config
There you have a Proxy Folder and an Apache one,
For HSTS you have to enable the module headers, find on your prefered search engine how to do that.

Then you have to modify your Nextcloud WWW conf file as you will do for adding the HSTS