# Why is 23.0.1 so heavily delayed? **URL:** \ **Category:** šŸ·ļø General\ **Tags:** nc23, release\_shedule\ **Created:** [January 28, 2022, 7:57am UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/why-is-23-0-1-so-heavily-delayed/132133 "2022-01-28T07:57:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![bb77](https://help.nextcloud.com/letter_avatar/bb77/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@bb77](https://help.nextcloud.com/u/bb77)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 8:29am UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/why-is-23-0-1-so-heavily-delayed/132133/41 "2022-02-04T08:29:56Z")
```auto root@cloud:~# ls -lt /var/log/installer insgesamt 624 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Feb 11 2017 cdebconf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 127147 Feb 11 2017 initial-status.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 105 Feb 11 2017 lsb-release -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17727 Feb 11 2017 hardware-summary -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 60878 Feb 11 2017 status -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 67 Feb 11 2017 media-info -rw------- 1 root root 79115 Feb 11 2017 partman -rw------- 1 root root 329602 Feb 11 2017 syslog root@cloud:~# fs=$(df / | tail -1 | cut -f1 -d' ') && tune2fs -l $fs | grep 'Filesystem created' Filesystem created: Sat Feb 11 16:48:43 2017 ``` - Installed on 11.02.2017 in a Proxmox VM, which was moved to new hardware in the meantime and the virtual disk was increased from 512MB to 1024MB at some point in time. - Started with Nextcloud 13, currently Nextcloud 23.0.1 - Two OS upgrades: From Ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04 to 20.04. - One Maria DB upgrade 10.3 to 10.6 - Several PHP upgrades, started with 7.2.XX, currently on 8.0.15 I have two users (me and my girlfriend) We use mainly the calendar, files and collabora. The sync client on multiple computers (Linux and Mac) and on our phones (Android). How does this post help anybody? Most likely it doesnā€™t help at all, just like most of the post before this one. But I thought: Itā€™s Friday, the sun is shining, why not add something positive hereā€¦ šŸ˜‰ šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![crobarcro](https://help.nextcloud.com/user_avatar/help.nextcloud.com/crobarcro/32/7523_2.png) [@crobarcro](https://help.nextcloud.com/u/crobarcro)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 10:00am UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/why-is-23-0-1-so-heavily-delayed/132133/42 "2022-02-04T10:00:00Z")
> [@wwe](#): > > Next time when you decide to attack somebody please try to understand the situation completely. if it happens I bump your car - I will tell you itā€™s worth no reaction as you have no contract with me - deal? But this isnā€™t the analogy at all. A better analogy would be I gave YOU a free car as a gift, and then you had a problem changing the wheel, and expected me to come fix it for you, and got angry when I was busy fixing wheels on cars of people who had bought them from me. ---
**Author:** ![smartysmart34](https://help.nextcloud.com/user_avatar/help.nextcloud.com/smartysmart34/32/16168_2.png) [@smartysmart34](https://help.nextcloud.com/u/smartysmart34)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/why-is-23-0-1-so-heavily-delayed/132133/43 "2022-02-03T14:23:22Z")
Sorry, but to me this is just crazy. ā€œBackportbotā€ keeps adding Pull request after Pull request for 23.0.1 . While I am still on 22, there are plenty users on 23 which sometimes face some serious issues. And while the 23.0.1 Milestone has some 110 fixes in it there still is the decision to not fix them but have people wait for even longer? Is 23.0.1 even worse the 23.0.0? Why cantā€™t they draw a line, ship the fixes they have and then have another one follow in maybe a coouple more weeks? The way we work in our projects is: Fix the most critical and urgent defects first. So my assumption is that the 110 most critical fixes are already in? Or are you saying there are 110 minor fixes and the really painful stuff is all still open? And thatā€™s why nothing is being released? ---
**Author:** ![wwe](https://help.nextcloud.com/user_avatar/help.nextcloud.com/wwe/32/72963_2.png) [@wwe](https://help.nextcloud.com/u/wwe)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/why-is-23-0-1-so-heavily-delayed/132133/44 "2022-02-04T20:05:02Z")
> [@JimmyKater](#): > > @tflidd and @wwe - so how long would you think the testingphase should take? > afaik the releaseschedule for every new major version sees 6 weeks of testingā€¦ including 3 beta test stages and 2 RC test stages until the final release (with a feature freeze on beta 1). so this IS quite a long time for testing regarding that we usually end up with 3 new major versions each year (some circumstance I personally was questioning since long) I fully agree in term stability is the key - quality and stability is priority before new features. But the duration of the testing phase has low impact on the quality. Testing is in my eyes the most hardest part of software development - a tester **must** know and understand critical situations and force the software to break (say simulate bad network conditions and components outages) - which is not often the case if _normal_ user do ā€œtestingā€ - they find these issues randomly and often canā€™t even describe themā€¦ > [@smartysmart34](#): > > ā€œBackportbotā€ keeps adding Pull request after Pull request for 23.0.1 . this fact doesnā€™t help while testing and neither it proofs development speed has decreased for some reason (pandemic-wise or projects load) > [@JimmyKater](#): > > Do you remember when I asked here on this thread where the discussion would lead? Now we know. And to be honest: I donā€™t know any relevant piece of information more than from the beginning on. But wellā€¦ this discussion left some of us in a bad mood, with bad feelings, of course. Was that the goal? yes you did and you are right we had conflicts and didnā€™t produce any progress. I feel such discussions very useful (maybe we should start more generic thread) to understand the feelings, demands and problems of the usersā€¦ ā€¦ and I still hope our lengthy discussions will somehow reach Nextcloud and motivate them into better communicationā€¦ **for me** this missing feedback is main issue - if they are overwhelmed by the pandemic, lot of project, other priorities - itā€™s easier to align your reaction to the factsā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![wwe](https://help.nextcloud.com/user_avatar/help.nextcloud.com/wwe/32/72963_2.png) [@wwe](https://help.nextcloud.com/u/wwe)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 8:22pm UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/why-is-23-0-1-so-heavily-delayed/132133/45 "2022-02-05T20:22:47Z")
> [@crobarcro](#): > > > [@wwe](#): > > > > Next time when you decide to attack somebody please try to understand the situation completely. if it happens I bump your car - I will tell you itā€™s worth no reaction as you have no contract with me - deal? > > But this isnā€™t the analogy at all. A better analogy would be I gave YOU a free car as a gift, and then you had a problem changing the wheel, and expected me to come fix it for you, and got angry when I was busy fixing wheels on cars of people who had bought them from me. you are completely wrong - in your example you shared construction plans for a car but forget the brakes and my expectation is you help me to fix the damage happened to my car due to faulty construction plans by creating repair instructions.. please explain how my expectations are wrong? ---
**Author:** ![crobarcro](https://help.nextcloud.com/user_avatar/help.nextcloud.com/crobarcro/32/7523_2.png) [@crobarcro](https://help.nextcloud.com/u/crobarcro)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 10:06pm UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/why-is-23-0-1-so-heavily-delayed/132133/46 "2022-02-05T22:06:49Z")
> [@wwe](#): > > you are completely wrong - in your example you shared construction plans for a car but forget the brakes and my expectation is you help me to fix the damage happened to my car due to faulty construction plans by creating repair instructionsā€¦ > > please explain how my expectations are wrong? What if my construction plans contained a note like this in them: ```auto This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU Affero General Public License for more details. ``` ---
**Author:** ![wwe](https://help.nextcloud.com/user_avatar/help.nextcloud.com/wwe/32/72963_2.png) [@wwe](https://help.nextcloud.com/u/wwe)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/why-is-23-0-1-so-heavily-delayed/132133/47 "2022-02-06T20:56:51Z")
you didnā€™t explain > [@wwe](#): > > how my expectations are wrong? The excerpt of license you show is for legal purposes and has absolutely no impact on expectations and moral duty to fix issues (and provide support). If somebody would rely on such statement to avoid fixing issues I would definitely stop using this product ASAP!!! despite the fact Iā€™m really unhappy with the way how Nextcloud GmbH acts with the community I really hope they **donā€™t** share your @crobarcro mindset. ---
**Author:** ![JimmyKater](https://help.nextcloud.com/user_avatar/help.nextcloud.com/jimmykater/32/4850_2.png) [@JimmyKater](https://help.nextcloud.com/u/JimmyKater)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 8:57pm UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/why-is-23-0-1-so-heavily-delayed/132133/48 "2022-02-09T20:57:22Z")
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