# Nextcloud Talk performance - how to troubleshoot or work around **URL:** \ **Category:** 💬 Talk (spreed)\ **Tags:** nc19\ **Created:** [September 15, 2020, 3:33am UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/nextcloud-talk-performance-how-to-troubleshoot-or-work-around/92292 "2020-09-15T03:33:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![meonkeys](https://help.nextcloud.com/user_avatar/help.nextcloud.com/meonkeys/32/27937_2.png) [@meonkeys](https://help.nextcloud.com/u/meonkeys)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 3:33am UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/nextcloud-talk-performance-how-to-troubleshoot-or-work-around/92292/1 "2020-09-15T03:33:03Z")
I’m having some performance issues with the Talk app in my Nextcloud instance. I’m new to Nextcloud, I just recently got it running for my small team of 4. I’ve been very happy with it except for these performance issues with Talk. I use several other apps (see below) and they all seem snappy and performant as long as the Talk app is disabled. I’m looking for help digging into what might be causing the performance issues. I’ve tried the obvious things like running `top` on the host and tailing logs, but I haven’t yet found a likely root cause. The repro is easy: enable Talk, click back and forth between a couple conversations. Try and click away to another app (e.g. Files) and it could take 20-40 seconds. Eventually page views may speed up. I can also restart the server to get Nextcloud back to normal speed. During the repro I see no noticeable server load, no obvious issues in the logs. So far my workaround is to disable the Talk app. The next thing I was going to try was switching to the plain old `nextcloud` image instead of the `nextcloud:stable-fpm-alpine` and `nginx:stable-alpine` images. Any other things I should try? I really want to use the Talk app but this performance is a dealbreaker. I also find the [duplicate session](https://github.com/nextcloud/spreed/issues/1587) limitation pretty darn annoying but it sounds like this will be a hard thing to fix. Looks related: - [Nextcloud Talk is really slow when using HTTP2 · Issue #2211 · nextcloud/spreed](https://github.com/nextcloud/spreed/issues/2211) - [Nextcloud Talk is really slow when using Nginx as WebServer · Issue #3183 · nextcloud/spreed](https://github.com/nextcloud/spreed/issues/3183) - [Talk crashes the entire instance when doing public meetings. · Issue #2010 · nextcloud/spreed](https://github.com/nextcloud/spreed/issues/2010) - [Conversation not possible - Network logs show a repetitive 504 error · Issue #3867 · nextcloud/spreed](https://github.com/nextcloud/spreed/issues/3867) - [NextCloudPi and Talk: Configuration incompatible?](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/nextcloudpi-and-talk-configuration-incompatible/79469) - [https://techwombat.com/enable-http2-apache-ubuntu-16-04/](https://techwombat.com/enable-http2-apache-ubuntu-16-04/) - [https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10003978/php-fpm-and-nginx-502-bad-gateway](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10003978/php-fpm-and-nginx-502-bad-gateway) Can I somehow disable webrtc alone? I don’t want/need to use Talk to make voice or video calls. I really just want the text chat. I’m using: - Talk 9.0.3 - Nextcloud 19.0.3 - 19.0.3.1 running on Docker using the [official docker-compose.yml](https://github.com/nextcloud/docker/tree/master/.examples/docker-compose/with-nginx-proxy/mariadb-cron-redis/fpm) - Webserver: nginx/1.18.0 (fpm-fcgi) - Database: mysql 10.5.5 (mariadb) - PHP version: 7.4.10 - Modules loaded: Core, date, libxml, openssl, pcre, sqlite3, zlib, ctype, curl, dom, fileinfo, filter, ftp, hash, iconv, json, mbstring, SPL, PDO, pdo\_sqlite, session, posix, readline, Reflection, standard, SimpleXML, Phar, tokenizer, xml, xmlreader, xmlwriter, mysqlnd, cgi-fcgi, apcu, bcmath, exif, gd, gmp, imagick, intl, ldap, memcached, pcntl, pdo\_mysql, pdo\_pgsql, redis, sodium, zip, Zend OPcache - running behind Traefik 2.2.11 reverse proxy / load balancer (it fronts a bunch of other web services too, all of them seem to work fine) - Let’s Encrypt - Docker host machine runs 64-bit Ubuntu GNU/Linux server - Linux 5.4.0-47-generic #51-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 4 19:50:52 UTC 2020 x86\_64 - `/settings/admin/overview` says “All checks passed.” - in case this matters: `nextcloud.example.com` usually resolves to a public IPv4 address, except in my LAN. In my LAN it resolves to a private IPv4 address (e.g. 192.168.1.15). Enabled: - accessibility: 1.5.0 - activity: 2.12.0 - admin\_audit: 1.9.0 - audioplayer: 2.11.2 - audioplayer\_editor: 0.2.2 - bruteforcesettings: 2.0.1 - calendar: 2.0.4 - cloud\_federation\_api: 1.2.0 - comments: 1.9.0 - contacts: 3.3.0 - contactsinteraction: 1.0.0 - dav: 1.15.0 - event\_update\_notification: 1.0.2 - federatedfilesharing: 1.9.0 - federation: 1.9.0 - files: 1.14.0 - files\_external: 1.10.0 - files\_markdown: 2.3.0 - files\_pdfviewer: 1.8.0 - files\_rightclick: 0.16.0 - files\_sharing: 1.11.0 - files\_trashbin: 1.9.0 - files\_versions: 1.12.0 - files\_videoplayer: 1.8.0 - firstrunwizard: 2.8.0 - forms: 2.0.4 - gpxedit: 0.0.13 - logreader: 2.4.0 - lookup\_server\_connector: 1.7.0 - maps: 0.1.6 - nextcloud\_announcements: 1.8.0 - notes: 3.6.4 - notifications: 2.7.0 - oauth2: 1.7.0 - password\_policy: 1.9.1 - photos: 1.1.0 - privacy: 1.3.0 - provisioning\_api: 1.9.0 - recommendations: 0.7.0 - richdocuments: 3.7.4 - serverinfo: 1.9.0 - settings: 1.1.0 - sharebymail: 1.9.0 - spreed: 9.0.3 - support: 1.2.1 - systemtags: 1.9.0 - tasks: 0.13.3 - text: 3.0.1 - theming: 1.10.0 - twofactor\_backupcodes: 1.8.0 - updatenotification: 1.9.0 - user\_ldap: 1.9.0 - viewer: 1.3.0 - workflowengine: 2.1.0 Disabled: - encryption - ojsxc - survey\_client Nextcloud config: ```auto { "htaccess.RewriteBase": "\/", "memcache.local": "\\OC\\Memcache\\APCu", "apps_paths": [ { "path": "\/var\/www\/html\/apps", "url": "\/apps", "writable": false }, { "path": "\/var\/www\/html\/custom_apps", "url": "\/custom_apps", "writable": true } ], "instanceid": " ***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "passwordsalt": " ***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "secret": " ***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "trusted_domains": [ "nextcloud.example.com" ], "datadirectory": " ***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "dbtype": "mysql", "version": "19.0.3.1", "overwrite.cli.url": "http:\/\/nextcloud.example.com", "overwriteprotocol": "https", "dbname": " ***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "dbhost": " ***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "dbport": "", "dbtableprefix": "oc_", "mysql.utf8mb4": true, "dbuser": " ***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "dbpassword": " ***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "installed": true, "mail_smtpmode": "smtp", "mail_smtphost": " ***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "mail_sendmailmode": "smtp", "mail_smtpport": "25", "trusted_proxies": " ***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "forwarded_for_headers": [ "HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR" ], "maintenance": false, "loglevel": 3, "ldapIgnoreNamingRules": false, "ldapProviderFactory": "OCA\\User_LDAP\\LDAPProviderFactory", "has_internet_connection": true, "memcache.distributed": "\\OC\\Memcache\\Redis", "memcache.locking": "\\OC\\Memcache\\Redis", "redis": { "host": " ***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "password": " ***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***", "port": 6379 } } ``` my docker-compose.yml : ```auto version: '3.5' volumes: docroot: driver: local driver_opts: type: 'none' o: 'bind' device: '/nextcloud' services: app: image: nextcloud:stable-fpm-alpine environment: MYSQL_HOST: db:3306 MYSQL_USER: nextcloud MYSQL_PASSWORD: 'REDACTED' MYSQL_DATABASE: nextcloud SMTP_HOST: mail REDIS_HOST: redis REDIS_HOST_PASSWORD: "REDACTED" labels: - "traefik.enable=false" volumes: - docroot:/var/www/html:rw networks: - nextcloud - mariadb - mail_default - traefik_default restart: unless-stopped redis: image: redis:alpine restart: unless-stopped command: redis-server --requirepass REDACTED networks: - nextcloud - traefik_default web: build: ./web environment: - VIRTUAL_HOST=nextcloud.example.com labels: - "traefik.enable=true" - "traefik.docker.network=traefik_default" - "traefik.http.routers.nextcloud.entrypoints=websecure" - "traefik.http.routers.nextcloud.rule=Host(`nextcloud.example.com`)" - "traefik.http.routers.nextcloud.tls.certresolver=myresolver" - "traefik.http.routers.nextcloud.middlewares=nextcloud_headers,nextcloud_redirect" - "traefik.http.middlewares.nextcloud_headers.headers.stsSeconds=155520011" - "traefik.http.middlewares.nextcloud_headers.headers.stsIncludeSubdomains=true" - "traefik.http.middlewares.nextcloud_headers.headers.stsPreload=true" - "traefik.http.middlewares.nextcloud_redirect.redirectregex.regex=/.well-known/(card|cal)dav" - "traefik.http.middlewares.nextcloud_redirect.redirectregex.replacement=/remote.php/dav/" # watchtower can't auto-update this container because we build it locally # see https://containrrr.dev/watchtower/arguments/#without_pulling_new_images # and https://containrrr.dev/watchtower/container-selection/ - "com.centurylinklabs.watchtower.enable=false" volumes: - docroot:/var/www/html:ro networks: - nextcloud - traefik_default restart: unless-stopped collabora: image: collabora/code restart: unless-stopped labels: - "traefik.enable=true" - "traefik.docker.network=traefik_default" - "traefik.http.routers.collabora.entrypoints=websecure" - "traefik.http.routers.collabora.rule=Host(`collabora.example.com`)" - "traefik.http.routers.collabora.tls.certresolver=myresolver" networks: - nextcloud - traefik_default cap_add: - MKNOD tty: true environment: - "extra_params=--o:ssl.enable=false --o:ssl.termination=true" - domain=nextcloud\\.example\\.com - dictionaries=en - username=admin - password=REDCATED volumes: - /collabora/loolwsd.xml:/etc/loolwsd/loolwsd.xml networks: nextcloud: name: nextcloud mariadb: external: true mail_default: external: true traefik_default: external: true ``` `web/Dockerfile` contains: ```auto FROM nginx:stable-alpine COPY nginx.conf /etc/nginx/nginx.conf ``` Thanks! -Adam ---
**Author:** ![nickvergessen](https://help.nextcloud.com/user_avatar/help.nextcloud.com/nickvergessen/32/66965_2.png) [@nickvergessen](https://help.nextcloud.com/u/nickvergessen)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 8:06am UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/nextcloud-talk-performance-how-to-troubleshoot-or-work-around/92292/2 "2020-09-15T08:06:56Z")
See [https://nextcloud-talk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/system-requirements/#webserver](https://nextcloud-talk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/system-requirements/#webserver) ---
**Author:** ![meonkeys](https://help.nextcloud.com/user_avatar/help.nextcloud.com/meonkeys/32/27937_2.png) [@meonkeys](https://help.nextcloud.com/u/meonkeys)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 6:05am UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/nextcloud-talk-performance-how-to-troubleshoot-or-work-around/92292/3 "2020-09-16T06:05:18Z")
I switched to Apache. Talk performance seems good now. 🚢 I’m now running my single `app` container I mentioned earlier from the `nextcloud:stable-apache` image instead of the combination of `app` and `web` containers from the `nextcloud:stable-fpm-alpine` and `nginx:stable-alpine` images, respectively. I moved the traefik labels from the `web` container to the `app` container, then killed the `web` container and removed that section. I did read [https://nextcloud-talk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/system-requirements/#webserver](https://nextcloud-talk.readthedocs.io/en/latest/system-requirements/#webserver) , thank you. I was confused because it says “…and Nginx must use…” but I don’t know how to configure mpm for nginx. Maybe those “events” and “prefork” terms only apply to Apache? ---
**Author:** ![wwe](https://help.nextcloud.com/user_avatar/help.nextcloud.com/wwe/32/72963_2.png) [@wwe](https://help.nextcloud.com/u/wwe)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 8:27am UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/nextcloud-talk-performance-how-to-troubleshoot-or-work-around/92292/4 "2024-12-12T08:27:23Z")
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**Author:** ![wwe](https://help.nextcloud.com/user_avatar/help.nextcloud.com/wwe/32/72963_2.png) [@wwe](https://help.nextcloud.com/u/wwe)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 8:27am UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/nextcloud-talk-performance-how-to-troubleshoot-or-work-around/92292/5 "2024-12-12T08:27:24Z")