Hello All,
I’m currently using the latest versions of Nextcloud Mail and Stalwart Mail Server. One of my users can no longer access their Inbox properly. When clicking on an email, the message body simply displays “Not found”.
Side note: Other (Web-)Mail Clients working fine. (e.g. Roundcube/Thunderbird).
I’ve also tried to move all new messages into a folder, but the Inbox is still not accessible. Mails from other folders can be opened.
I would be grateful for any tips!
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The Basics
- Nextcloud Server version (e.g., 29.x.x):
- 32.0.6
- Operating system and version (e.g., Ubuntu 24.04):
Debian 13.3
- Web server and version (e.g, Apache 2.4.25):
NGinx
- Reverse proxy and version _(e.g. nginx 1.27.2)
No
- PHP version (e.g, 8.3):
- 8.4.16
- Is this the first time you’ve seen this error? (Yes / No):
Yes
- When did this problem seem to first start?
Few days ago
- Installation method (e.g. AlO, NCP, Bare Metal/Archive, etc.)
Download Package
- Are you using CloudfIare, mod_security, or similar? (Yes / No)
No
Summary of the issue you are facing:
Sync for a user mailbox seems to be broken. Tried a manual sync via CLI.
nextcloud@web2:~/htdocs$ php occ mail:account:sync 2 -vvv
[debug] account is up to date, skipping mailbox sync
[debug] Skipping mailbox sync for 461
[debug] Skipping mailbox sync for 169
[debug] Skipping mailbox sync for 467
[debug] Skipping mailbox sync for 405
[debug] Skipping mailbox sync for 421
[debug] Skipping mailbox sync for 404
[debug] Skipping mailbox sync for 429
[debug] Skipping mailbox sync for 473
[debug] Skipping mailbox sync for 407
[debug] Skipping mailbox sync for 406
[debug] Syncing 81
[debug] Locking mailbox 81 for new messages sync
[debug] Locking mailbox 81 for changed messages sync
[debug] Locking mailbox 81 for vanished messages sync
[debug] Running partial sync for 81 with criteria 42
[debug] partial sync 2:INBOX - get all known UIDs took 0s. 37/38MB memory used
[debug] Unlocking mailbox 81 from vanished messages sync
[debug] Unlocking mailbox 81 from changed messages sync
[debug] Unlocking mailbox 81 from new messages sync
In ImapToDbSynchronizer.php line 288:
[OCA\Mail\Exception\ServiceException]
Sync failed for 2:INBOX: The mail server was unable to parse the contents of the mail message: Argument exceeds maximum length of 4096 bytes.
Exception trace:
at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Service/Sync/ImapToDbSynchronizer.php:288
OCA\Mail\Service\Sync\ImapToDbSynchronizer->sync() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Service/Sync/ImapToDbSynchronizer.php:134
OCA\Mail\Service\Sync\ImapToDbSynchronizer->syncAccount() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Command/SyncAccount.php:88
OCA\Mail\Command\SyncAccount->sync() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Command/SyncAccount.php:72
OCA\Mail\Command\SyncAccount->execute() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/3rdparty/symfony/console/Command/Command.php:326
Symfony\Component\Console\Command\Command->run() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/3rdparty/symfony/console/Application.php:1083
Symfony\Component\Console\Application->doRunCommand() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/3rdparty/symfony/console/Application.php:324
Symfony\Component\Console\Application->doRun() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/3rdparty/symfony/console/Application.php:175
Symfony\Component\Console\Application->run() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/Console/Application.php:187
OC\Console\Application->run() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/console.php:90
require_once() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/occ:33
In Socket.php line 4858:
[Horde_Imap_Client_Exception_ServerResponse (6)]
The mail server was unable to parse the contents of the mail message: Argument exceeds maximum length of 4096 bytes.
Exception trace:
at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Socket.php:4858
Horde_Imap_Client_Socket->_responseCode() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Socket.php:4586
Horde_Imap_Client_Socket->_getLine() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Socket.php:4319
Horde_Imap_Client_Socket->_sendCmdChunk() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Socket.php:4243
Horde_Imap_Client_Socket->_sendCmd() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Socket.php:1236
Horde_Imap_Client_Socket->_openMailbox() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Base.php:1066
Horde_Imap_Client_Base->openMailbox() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Base.php:2247
Horde_Imap_Client_Base->search() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Data/Sync.php:186
Horde_Imap_Client_Data_Sync->__construct() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Base.php:3643
Horde_Imap_Client_Base->sync() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/IMAP/Sync/Synchronizer.php:99
OCA\Mail\IMAP\Sync\Synchronizer->doCombinedSync() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/IMAP/Sync/Synchronizer.php:69
OCA\Mail\IMAP\Sync\Synchronizer->sync() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Service/Sync/ImapToDbSynchronizer.php:413
OCA\Mail\Service\Sync\ImapToDbSynchronizer->runPartialSync() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Service/Sync/ImapToDbSynchronizer.php:269
OCA\Mail\Service\Sync\ImapToDbSynchronizer->sync() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Service/Sync/ImapToDbSynchronizer.php:134
OCA\Mail\Service\Sync\ImapToDbSynchronizer->syncAccount() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Command/SyncAccount.php:88
OCA\Mail\Command\SyncAccount->sync() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Command/SyncAccount.php:72
OCA\Mail\Command\SyncAccount->execute() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/3rdparty/symfony/console/Command/Command.php:326
Symfony\Component\Console\Command\Command->run() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/3rdparty/symfony/console/Application.php:1083
Symfony\Component\Console\Application->doRunCommand() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/3rdparty/symfony/console/Application.php:324
Symfony\Component\Console\Application->doRun() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/3rdparty/symfony/console/Application.php:175
Symfony\Component\Console\Application->run() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/Console/Application.php:187
OC\Console\Application->run() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/console.php:90
require_once() at /var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/occ:33
mail:account:sync [-f|--force] [--] <account-id>
nextcloud@web2:~/htdocs$
Mail Server is Stalwart 0.15.5 Docker
Steps to replicate it (hint: details matter!)
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Log entries
Nextcloud
Please provide the log entries from your Nextcloud log that are generated during the time of problem (via the Copy raw option from Administration settings->Logging screen or from your nextcloud.log located in your data directory). Feel free to use a pastebin/gist service if necessary.
{"reqId":"RVn5Ka51cJPFGaugFbGp","level":3,"time":"2026-02-24T12:46:34+00:00","remoteAddr":"2001:a61:xxx","user":"f2ecf2a0-0883-1033-80fb-67e436cc4ccc","app":"mail","method":"GET","url":"/apps/mail/api/messages/106889/body","scriptName":"/index.php","message":"Could not load message","userAgent":"Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/145.0.0.0 Safari/537.36","version":"32.0.6.1","exception":{"Exception":"OCA\\Mail\\Exception\\ServiceException","Message":"Could not load message","Code":6,"Trace":[{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Controller/MessagesController.php","line":233,"function":"getImapMessage","class":"OCA\\Mail\\Service\\MailManager","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/AppFramework/Http/Dispatcher.php","line":204,"function":"getBody","class":"OCA\\Mail\\Controller\\MessagesController","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/AppFramework/Http/Dispatcher.php","line":118,"function":"executeController","class":"OC\\AppFramework\\Http\\Dispatcher","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/AppFramework/App.php","line":153,"function":"dispatch","class":"OC\\AppFramework\\Http\\Dispatcher","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/Route/Router.php","line":321,"function":"main","class":"OC\\AppFramework\\App","type":"::"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/base.php","line":1091,"function":"match","class":"OC\\Route\\Router","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/index.php","line":25,"function":"handleRequest","class":"OC","type":"::"}],"File":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Service/MailManager.php","Line":194,"Previous":{"Exception":"Horde_Imap_Client_Exception_ServerResponse","Message":"The mail server was unable to parse the contents of the mail message: Argument exceeds maximum length of 4096 bytes.","Code":6,"Trace":[{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Socket.php","line":4586,"function":"_responseCode","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Socket","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Socket.php","line":4319,"function":"_getLine","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Socket","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Socket.php","line":4243,"function":"_sendCmdChunk","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Socket","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Socket.php","line":1236,"function":"_sendCmd","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Socket","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Base.php","line":1066,"function":"_openMailbox","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Socket","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Base.php","line":2526,"function":"openMailbox","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Base","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Base.php","line":2493,"function":"_fetchWrapper","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Base","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/IMAP/MessageMapper.php","line":298,"function":"fetch","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Base","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/IMAP/MessageMapper.php","line":78,"function":"findByIds","class":"OCA\\Mail\\IMAP\\MessageMapper","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Service/MailManager.php","line":186,"function":"find","class":"OCA\\Mail\\IMAP\\MessageMapper","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Controller/MessagesController.php","line":233,"function":"getImapMessage","class":"OCA\\Mail\\Service\\MailManager","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/AppFramework/Http/Dispatcher.php","line":204,"function":"getBody","class":"OCA\\Mail\\Controller\\MessagesController","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/AppFramework/Http/Dispatcher.php","line":118,"function":"executeController","class":"OC\\AppFramework\\Http\\Dispatcher","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/AppFramework/App.php","line":153,"function":"dispatch","class":"OC\\AppFramework\\Http\\Dispatcher","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/Route/Router.php","line":321,"function":"main","class":"OC\\AppFramework\\App","type":"::"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/base.php","line":1091,"function":"match","class":"OC\\Route\\Router","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/index.php","line":25,"function":"handleRequest","class":"OC","type":"::"}],"File":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Socket.php","Line":4858},"message":"Could not load message","exception":{},"CustomMessage":"Could not load message"}}PASTE HERE
Web Browser
If the problem is related to the Web interface, open your browser inspector Console and Network tabs while refreshing (reloading) and reproducing the problem. Provide any relevant output/errors here that appear.
{"reqId":"RVn5Ka51cJPFGaugFbGp","level":3,"time":"2026-02-24T12:46:34+00:00","remoteAddr":"2001:a61:a11:f401:xxx","user":"f2ecf2a0-0883-1033-80fb-67e436cc4ccc","app":"mail","method":"GET","url":"/apps/mail/api/messages/106889/body","scriptName":"/index.php","message":"Could not load message","userAgent":"Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/145.0.0.0 Safari/537.36","version":"32.0.6.1","exception":{"Exception":"OCA\\Mail\\Exception\\ServiceException","Message":"Could not load message","Code":6,"Trace":[{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Controller/MessagesController.php","line":233,"function":"getImapMessage","class":"OCA\\Mail\\Service\\MailManager","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/AppFramework/Http/Dispatcher.php","line":204,"function":"getBody","class":"OCA\\Mail\\Controller\\MessagesController","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/AppFramework/Http/Dispatcher.php","line":118,"function":"executeController","class":"OC\\AppFramework\\Http\\Dispatcher","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/AppFramework/App.php","line":153,"function":"dispatch","class":"OC\\AppFramework\\Http\\Dispatcher","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/Route/Router.php","line":321,"function":"main","class":"OC\\AppFramework\\App","type":"::"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/base.php","line":1091,"function":"match","class":"OC\\Route\\Router","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/index.php","line":25,"function":"handleRequest","class":"OC","type":"::"}],"File":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Service/MailManager.php","Line":194,"Previous":{"Exception":"Horde_Imap_Client_Exception_ServerResponse","Message":"The mail server was unable to parse the contents of the mail message: Argument exceeds maximum length of 4096 bytes.","Code":6,"Trace":[{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Socket.php","line":4586,"function":"_responseCode","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Socket","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Socket.php","line":4319,"function":"_getLine","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Socket","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Socket.php","line":4243,"function":"_sendCmdChunk","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Socket","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Socket.php","line":1236,"function":"_sendCmd","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Socket","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Base.php","line":1066,"function":"_openMailbox","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Socket","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Base.php","line":2526,"function":"openMailbox","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Base","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Base.php","line":2493,"function":"_fetchWrapper","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Base","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/IMAP/MessageMapper.php","line":298,"function":"fetch","class":"Horde_Imap_Client_Base","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/IMAP/MessageMapper.php","line":78,"function":"findByIds","class":"OCA\\Mail\\IMAP\\MessageMapper","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Service/MailManager.php","line":186,"function":"find","class":"OCA\\Mail\\IMAP\\MessageMapper","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/lib/Controller/MessagesController.php","line":233,"function":"getImapMessage","class":"OCA\\Mail\\Service\\MailManager","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/AppFramework/Http/Dispatcher.php","line":204,"function":"getBody","class":"OCA\\Mail\\Controller\\MessagesController","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/AppFramework/Http/Dispatcher.php","line":118,"function":"executeController","class":"OC\\AppFramework\\Http\\Dispatcher","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/AppFramework/App.php","line":153,"function":"dispatch","class":"OC\\AppFramework\\Http\\Dispatcher","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/private/Route/Router.php","line":321,"function":"main","class":"OC\\AppFramework\\App","type":"::"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/lib/base.php","line":1091,"function":"match","class":"OC\\Route\\Router","type":"->"},{"file":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/index.php","line":25,"function":"handleRequest","class":"OC","type":"::"}],"File":"/var/www/nextcloud/htdocs/apps/mail/vendor/bytestream/horde-imap-client/lib/Horde/Imap/Client/Socket.php","Line":4858},"message":"Could not load message","exception":{},"CustomMessage":"Could not load message"}}
Web server / Reverse Proxy
The output of your Apache/nginx/system log in /var/log/____:
None
Configuration
Nextcloud
The output of occ config:list system or similar is best, but, if not possible, the contents of your config.php file from /path/to/nextcloud is fine (make sure to remove any identifiable information!):
{
"system": {
"cache_path": "\/home\/nextcloud\/cache",
"tempdirectory": "\/home\/nextcloud\/tmp",
"updatedirectory": "\/home\/nextcloud\/update-dir",
"logfile": "\/var\/www\/nextcloud\/logs\/nextcloud.log",
"logfile_audit": "\/var\/www\/nextcloud\/logs\/nextcloud-audit.log",
"instanceid": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***",
"passwordsalt": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***",
"datadirectory": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***",
"dbtype": "mysql",
"version": "32.0.6.1",
"dbname": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***",
"dbhost": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***",
"dbtableprefix": "oc_",
"dbuser": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***",
"dbpassword": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***",
"installed": true,
"forcessl": true,
"ldapIgnoreNamingRules": false,
"theme": "",
"maintenance": false,
"trusted_domains": [
"nextcloud.xxx.com"
],
"maintenance_window_start": 1,
"loglevel": 2,
"secret": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***",
"share_folder": "\/Shared",
"trashbin_retention_obligation": "auto",
"ldapProviderFactory": "\\OCA\\User_LDAP\\LDAPProviderFactory",
"overwrite.cli.url": "https:\/\/nextcloud.xxx.com",
"mysql.utf8mb4": true,
"app_install_overwrite": [
"keeweb"
],
"twofactor_enforced": "false",
"twofactor_enforced_groups": [],
"twofactor_enforced_excluded_groups": [],
"mail_smtpmode": "sendmail",
"mail_sendmailmode": "smtp",
"mail_from_address": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***",
"mail_domain": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***",
"mail_smtphost": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***",
"mail_smtpport": "25",
"mail_smtpauthtype": "LOGIN",
"mail_smtpauth": 1,
"mail_smtpname": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***",
"mail_smtppassword": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***",
"app.mail.attachment-size-limit": 0,
"updater.release.channel": "stable",
"updater.secret": "***REMOVED SENSITIVE VALUE***"
}
}
Apps
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