# Circles or Groups

**URL:** <https://help.nextcloud.com/t/circles-or-groups/59003>\
**Category:** ℹ️ Support\
**Tags:** feature\
**Created:** [August 28, 2019, 12:29pm UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/circles-or-groups/59003 "2019-08-28T12:29:43Z")\
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**Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/circles-or-groups/59003/16 "2019-10-05T19:53:35Z")

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Hey, jumping in with my .02

- Circles are great, because users will just figure them out and not need admin rights to create and manage them.
- Group Folders app is too buggy, so I recommend just carefully laying out a folder system that makes sense to your group so everyone can benefit from Trash, Version Control, Workflow Automation + File Access Control app. Adding Retention policies is also helpful if you are concerned with random files clogging up specific folders over time. I found these apps were all useful for my organization.

Right now these systems address different issues, but will not integrate. ☹

- Projects will group files and folders to Deck cards and Talk conversations. It is part of the core Files app.
  - No other functionality supported yet. Will not display comments, does not support Activity feed, cannot be assigned to circles or groups. … what you see is what you get.

Discussed on the forum with lots of links here.

> [@Let's Talk about Projects](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/lets-talk-about-projects/61326):
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> [Projects were introduced in Nextcloud 16](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/nextcloud-16-introduces-machine-learning-based-security-and-usability-features-acl-permissions-and-cross-app-projects/52169), plus [discussed here on the forums specifically](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/nextcloud-16-allows-you-to-link-resources-to-keep-track-of-your-projects/52172). Currently, Projects include: files and folders Deck boards Talk conversations Hopefully we will also be able to: Add to project via system tags once [workflow app supported is added](https://github.com/nextcloud/workflow_script/issues/18). [Apply system tags to all apps](https://github.com/nextcloud/server/issues/13330)[Add Workflow support to Project Tags](https://github.com/nextcloud/workflow_script/issues/18), related to [this announcement for NC 18](https://nextcloud.com/blog/nextcloud-flow-makes-it-easy-to-automate-actions-and-workflows/). View comments within project Add comments to projects [Add calendars to projects](https://github.com/nextcloud/calendar/issues/1504)[Share projects to …](https://github.com/nextcloud/circles/issues/142)

- Circles allow users to create their own ad-hoc groups. Instead of permissions I can simply create and control my own circle of sharing.
  - Federation to remote users simply doesn’t work… I’ve tried over and over, but something is busted.

In-depth review of Circles app from a year or so. The app is almost in the exact same state now.

> [@Circles App Review](https://help.nextcloud.com/t/circles-app-review/31301):
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> I’ve found the Circles app very exciting, but also very confusing to use between myself and several other federated + local users and groups. In general, I feel this app is a critical component for both users + other applications looking to add Federated Group access. Just a few of the applications hoping to incorporate Circles support include: Resolved Calendar - [PR for sharing an event with a Circle](https://github.com/nextcloud/calendar/pull/602) Discontinued NextNote - here on their [Github wishlist.](https://github.com/brantje/nextnote/issues/9) Resolved [Deck issue #126 with bount…](https://github.com/nextcloud/deck/issues/126)

- Group Folders is an app that allows admins to create all their groups + set specific permissions from one admin page. Great idea, but problematic implementation
  - This app has a **lot** of problems. Honestly, it is garbage since it is so broken. [Be very careful](https://github.com/nextcloud/groupfolders/issues) as even deleting the app completely will still cause problems if you attempt to use the same folder names again. I found I had to delete Nextcloud itself rather than just the app.

Hope these links help you!

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