so do I see that right and you donât blame Nextcloud, the software being responsible for other softwareâs built-in glitches?
And then you complain about nobody wanting to help you? Because you didnât pay anything for Nextcloud, the software?
Ummmm⌠I, personally, think thatâs a bit of a biased way to look at it.
But wells, of course itâs up to you to âgive up on Nextcloudâ. Do it. And get happy with all future softwares/services youâre gonna install to your poor shared hosting-partner.
Me, walking in your shoes, would rather re-think the arguments that some guys here brought up and then get away from a shared service.
if you use another version of cpanel i guess the view is similar.
nope. to run a plesk command on a cpanel controlled machine is of course nonsense.
yes. but someone has. and you have to find that guy and open a ticket for him to fix your problem. php7.4 was release three month ago. so he should hurry up. or?
@private.guy @Lars_M is right.
I started to install ownCloud from the 6th version.
Without knowing anything on Webserver / php / database.
I struggled myself to install ownCloud on a Windows IIS server.
After the first crashes and bugs (bad sync or broken filename), someone advised me to install the server on a real Linux server.
I learnt a lot on this Ubuntu, Apache2, PHP, Mysql etc and i stopped to have crashes on my ownCloud.
Then i followed the move on Nextcloud and i installed it on several devices : RaspberryPi, SharedHosting, VPS, big serversâŚ
I can tell you for sure SharedHosting are the worst. If you donât have a very efficient provider, you will lost time and money with this services.
You donât have the hand on a lot of things, logs or tweaks. Nextcloud or ownCloud or Pydio or anything can crash someday and you wonât be able to know why quickly.
If you arenât familiar with Linux server, give it a go with virtual machine or raspberry pi and follow tutorials and make tests.
If you donât want to understand because itâs your will, i advise you to find nextcloud providers for hosting your data.
Nextcloud is really a good piece of service/software, far better than Onedrive-Gdrive. Donât throw it away without seeing that it can work well.
To all of those with comments about buying in on support, this is a quote from the top of the Forum:
"Our forums are for home users and contributors to discuss and ask questions about Nextcloud. We also post news and other information here.
âIf youâre in need of support for your enterprise Nextcloud instance, this is NOT the place. Our forums are meant for private usersâ
THIS applies to my case. I donât run a virtual machine. I loaded an installer provided by NC for a shared host. Followed directions. Now I understand that there may be bugs in PHP that lead to my lack of success. Some replied that I should do certain things incompat with my setup - not helpful. Iâm not trying to start a flame war - just expressing frustration. Will close out this thread with a thanks to all who pointed the way, which I read as wait and hope for the best when PHP 7.4 is available to me, which I expect to be soon.
As mentioned before, run it yourself in a VPS instead of shared hosting.
If you want an easy way to set it up (menus and all kinds of fancy stuff), the Nextcloud VM might be an option for you (step three is valid for a VPS):
Thanks, Enoch. But for the time being, Iâm staying with lower cost. And, a VM would streach my capabilities. I do understand the difficulties of using a shared host and am in the process of examining other hosting services. Of course, maintenance / security are very important and Iâd rather leave that to a trusted service.
I fully understand your concerns, but I have to mention two things:
Maintaining the VPS/VM is really just one command: sudo bash /var/scripts/update.sh. It updates the whole server, including Nextcloud and itâs dependencies.
You say âtrusted serviceâ. Well, if it doesnât work then it might not be that trustworthy. I mean they should check that everything works before doing stuff, which doesnât seem to be the case here.
Your call of course.
All Iâm saying is, maintaining a VPS doesnât have to be hard. Just use the right tools. The VM scripts are made exactly for that reason - making it easy to use and maintain.
You have given me food for thought! But, I would have to change hosting / providers. I wonât setup a server at home as it would violate my ISPâs terms of service. Iâve thought of moving to panix.com but they are a bit pricey w/o going the VPS route, as I understand it. So, Iâd have to find a host w/ good pricing, etc.
Thanks for the offer of being âhere to help.â Now Iâm torn between going âback to workâ om projects that Iâve neglected and pursuing this further. That was compounded by doing a new PC build that took more time than I thought it would.
Iâm skittish because of lack of knowledge. I need web space, email, etc. Not about to setup an email server. Worry about my ability to maintain a secure web server, etc. Iâm just a poor end-user / âhobbyistâ and not a dev. But thanks for the thought and the conversation. Iâm hoping the âbugâ will be fixed and that php 7.4 will soon be available on my hosting site.
Out of curiosity, how much disk space is needed for the VM version of NC, not counting personal data?
If I may suggest if you need a cheap VPS try Scaleway, their âdevâ servers start from 5,00 euro per month. (2 cores, 2Gb RAM, 20 Gb storage)
Sometimes the connection is slow but generally for me acceptable. They also offer âinstantâ images that deploy Nextcloud for you. Although I would not recommend that, as you still have to configure a lot yourself and possibly are behind in updates (PHP etc).
I would second the suggestion for DigitalOcean. They have great instructions on their site for setting it up manually, but also have single click installations that will do all the heavy lifting for you. You can keep the email at your shared host and just point a subdomain to the DigitalOcean IP address for your NextCloud droplet, as DigitalOcean calls them. This is a lot easier than it seems. Iâve found that shared hosting does have limitations with NextCloud and the scripts to install the files and or updates do have those limitations on the PHP of the shared server itâs on. There are also advanced ways to troubleshoot SQL issues with logins as well once PHP is resolved, but if you run it on DigitalOcean⌠you wouldnât have any of those limitations and will see huge speed improvements in syncing and general use.
Side Thought: Have you thought about installing it on a home computer/server? Thereâs a little bit more knowledge needed for accessing it outside your network, but it might be a good start to learning more and getting a lot better price to performance.
Thanks for the additional thoughts on DO. For now, Iâve need to go back to other projects, naps, etc. As mentioned before, I can not serve myself - violates terms with my ISP and I can not switch. I will think about, for fun, trying DO just for NC. BUT, I donât want to have things split across multiple services in the long term, e.g., mail on shared host and other on DO. There are other problems, periodically, with the shared host. E.g., from time-to-time, their smtp servers get black listed and my emails bounce! I raised that issue loudly; others must have to because that issue seems to have diminished. Thanks again.
@enoch85 and @private.guy
I do not use cPanel. But the risk of klicking-admin-tools like cPanel is that because of zero-administration-knowledge with a small error the whole systems breaks and the only repair option is because of zero-knowledge a forum or a restore.
I donât see it often that a user is so aware of his situation. I think it is dangerous promoting Nextcloud just by telling, just run this maintenance command is everything you need to do. Well, it is neither magic nor extremely difficult, but if you donât have prior experience, plan to invest some time setting up, backing up and maintaining a server.
Many start slow, just a virtual server or rapsberry pi in their local network. That a good way to get some practise. You have seen some tools make it seem easy to run a server until there is a problem. Hosting environments are especially difficult since they behave like a black box, a plain linux server is best in this case since more people can help you.
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